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Jan in CA
09-12-2011, 09:24 PM
These appear to be almost identical to Knitpicks Interchangeables. The biggest difference I see is the cable is black, they have a size on the metal part and the wood ones have a different color for each size.

I really like the size marking and the different color for each tip. Going to wait a bit till we see how they are, but I'm interested.

http://www.yarn.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.detail/categoryID/B80CDD36-A3F1-4E72-BA3C-8AA6A0A54764/productID/587DBC4B-2190-41EB-B22D-F7D7B40FB4A0/

http://www.yarn.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.detail/categoryID/B80CDD36-A3F1-4E72-BA3C-8AA6A0A54764/productID/D49DE6C9-7A54-41C0-A586-00CDAEE31B0F/?green=3118005352

fatoldladyinpjs
09-13-2011, 01:05 AM
The price is good, but I don't know about the cables. My KP cables have a memory and are very sturdy. They don't kink like Addys. Guess I'm spoiled on mine. And do they have the great customer service KP has? That makes a big difference.

Jan in CA
09-13-2011, 02:46 AM
I think you mean that the KP cables do NOT have memory...that means they don't stay in that annoying spiral. I don't know about Webs, nor do I know about their customer service. I want to buy the trial size and see what I think first.

The love my KP nickel plated needles and I do like the harmony ones, but the size on the side and the solid color would is appealing enough for me to seriously think about the wood at least enough to try.

Jan in CA
09-13-2011, 12:41 PM
I dunno. I was thought it was nice to see another option for needles from a reputable, known store. :shrug:

TreshaRuthe
09-13-2011, 02:26 PM
When I was in Atlanta, I visited a reputable yarn store there and was told that there would be a new version of KnitPicks coming out. She then clarified by saying that they weren't actually KP's but that they were. They were the same shape, same cable material but with some minor aesthetic changes because of a lawsuit from KP about them. Apparently, from what she told me, they're produced in the same factory or same company. But she didn't tell me when they'd be coming out... *shrugs* I don't know if this is the same set or not, but it would stand to reason that it could be.

jdee
09-13-2011, 02:31 PM
Thanks for the link. I really like those. I think I read that knitPro and Knitpicks are made from the same company. If that's true, anyone who likes knitpicks needles should like these. I personally love the different colored wood ones.

ArtLady1981
09-14-2011, 01:27 PM
I bet my stash :teehee: that they are the same needle with the exception those few aesthetic differences!
I like WEBS version, too, however IMHO...KnitPicks is still the company to deal with because of their excellent customer service. I'm not knocking WEBS, but you just cannot beat KnitPicks for taking care of even the smallest issues that arise...and they take care of your issue immediately, no questions asked, no fuss, no muss!

Is WEBS gonna send you a replacement cable? Or replace any 1 piece of your set? They might take back the entire set...but I don't think they're set up to deal with "parts" issues. It's all or nothing.

In my book, KnitPicks rocks! :happydance:

Jan in CA
09-14-2011, 03:15 PM
They do sell each part just like KP does. You can buy cables, needles or keys, etc. Plus they have a no questions asked replacement policy so it sounds about the same to me as KP. I saw on the Ravelry page that someone was able to use the Webs needle on a KP cable. Whether that will work universally remains to be seen. Here's there info that is on each page -

"WEBS cannot verify or guarantee that any other company’s needles or cords will work with Knitter’s Pride needles. But if you’ve purchased a Knitter’s Pride product from us, we guarantee the product 100% with our no-questions-asked replacement policy."
http://www.yarn.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.browse/categoryAlias_name/webs-knitters-pride-interchangeable-circular-knitting-needles/categoryID/71d6b034-9466-49da-b667-50074a55ecc9/?resultsPerPage=16&sortType=

I'm not knocking KP by any means. I love KP needles!! I was just impressed by the size on each needle and the different color of wood per size. It's just another option for needles and a little competition never hurt anyone.

ArtLady1981
09-14-2011, 03:38 PM
Thanks for update, Jan! And you're right, a little competition never hurts the consumer!

I do like how the WEBS wood (birch?) needles are color-coded, too! Signature Needles do the same thing. Plus, the size is stamped on the stalk.

I prefer the black cords on the WEBS set, but that's really a small issue.

If these two sets really are made in the same facility....same country of origin, same manufacturer....it's really a back-stabbing business tactic....right into KnitPicks back!...but ya never know, maybe there was an agreement of exclusive rights for just "X" amount of years, then becoming open to other companies but under different names and minor cosmetic differences.

ArtLady1981
09-14-2011, 03:49 PM
Just came back from the WEBS website. It appears as if the needle tips sold separately are a honey colored wood only,
and did you read the following info?:

"Tips have a cuboid shape in the body of the needle that gradually gives way to perfectly tapered birch wood points. The ergonomic shape is comfortable to hold, lessens the need to grip tightly, and yields uniform stitch formation....."

I don't think the multi-colored, color-coded set has cuboid-shaped needle stalks, do you? :think:

EDITED TO ADD:
Your link led to the CUBICS tips, hence the name. "Cuboid" shape. (honey colored wood)
In clicking around, stumbled upon the DREAMZ needle tips which are the color-coded needles (stalks).

Jan in CA
09-14-2011, 04:47 PM
Huh. I have no idea what cuboid or cubic means in this because they both look about the same to me. Look at each one in the same size. Here's the other link -
http://www.yarn.com/webs-knitters-pride-interchangeable-circular-knitting-needles/knitters-pride-dreamz-interchangeable-circular-needle-tips/

I've read on Ravelry that they are made by the same company. And a couple of comments that note that Knitter's Pride is the US version of KnitPro. So who knows. We've seen stuff like this before with other products. I guess more info will come out.

ArtLady1981
09-14-2011, 04:56 PM
The CUBICS tips (the "cuboid" shape) are basically square knitting needles, like the Kollage needles. They advertise that it's less stressful on your hands and wrists. If you look real careful at the expanded view, you can see the square "cuboid" shape.

Jan in CA
09-14-2011, 05:55 PM
The CUBICS tips (the "cuboid" shape) are basically square knitting needles, like the Kollage needles. They advertise that it's less stressful on your hands and wrists. If you look real careful at the expanded view, you can see the square "cuboid" shape.

OH! I see..those are interesting!

suzeeq
09-14-2011, 08:05 PM
If these two sets really are made in the same facility....same country of origin, same manufacturer....it's really a back-stabbing business tactic....right into KnitPicks back!...but ya never know, maybe there was an agreement of exclusive rights for just "X" amount of years, then becoming open to other companies but under different names and minor cosmetic differences.No backstabbing at all. The Knitpicks needles are manufactured for them by a company in the far east somewhere and are the same as the Knit Pros sold in Europe. Webs Knitter's Pride are probably manufactured for them by the same company, to their specifications as regards colors etc. They're all similar because they're made in the same plant, just tailored to the separate entities requirements.

It's like handpaintedyarn.com's yarn comes out of the same mill as manos de uruguay and possibly malabrigo as well as being sold by an ebay store (or they used to be). This is very common in the manufacturing world - at one time Kenmore products were mady by Whirlpool, don't know if they still are. It's called OEM in the business and you'd be surprised what brand names are made by what other brand name.

ArtLady1981
09-14-2011, 09:25 PM
No no, I didn't mean to imply that WEBS is backstabbing KnitPicks.

I meant the manufacturer might be considered a back stabber.

Case in point: in America, well known cappuccino & latte companies will sell a hard working family a "franchise" on 3rd & James, without disclosing that they're going to sell another franchise in a few months on 6th & James. The 3rd Ave franchise owner probably paid top dollar, is very disillusioned, and feels backstabbed. (not everyone can get a "distance" clause) He won't be pulling the profit he planned, what with having to split the "traffic" with the (same-name) coffee shop on 6th. I've talked to a few, not necessarily coffee franchises ( I used that as an example)....but anything such as sandwiches, tacos, etc. You name it.

Here in the Greater Seattle Area we have same-name coffee shops 2 blocks apart. I can literally walk to 4 of those same-name coffee shops from my house!

suzeeq
09-14-2011, 10:39 PM
No I don't think it's the manufacturer being underhanded at all. They were already making the Knit Pros when Knit picks approached them to ask if they'd make the Options line for them as well. They're like everyone else in this weak global economy, just trying to keep the door open.

Jan in CA
09-15-2011, 12:01 AM
The way I see it is the competition will encourage companies like Knitpicks to see how important something like sizes printed on the needles are to the customer. :yay: It's not like a Walmart causing a Mom&Pop store to go out of business.

doomchicken
12-09-2011, 04:16 PM
These are the same needles as the Knitpicks. Knitpicks lost their exclusivity contract with the company that makes the needles. They are actually BETTER in that they have the size stamped on the needles, and the Knitpicks don't, the cables are better, and they have a 16" cable and the Knitpicks do not. The joint is great, i have never had yarn stick, i have yet to have one come unscrewed while knitting, and they are really pointy which is helpful if you do lace and have to knit several stitches together. I have always been an addi lover, and i like these just as much!

Wanda Witch
12-09-2011, 05:52 PM
I have purchased some of the Knitter's Pride in the cubic shape, along with several different cable lengths. I really do like the smooth join, no snagging yarn and the tips are quite pointy, which I prefer. I was using them on a new project, but the cubics were not as smooth as the Harmony needles, so I did change to the Harmonys after a number of rows. I have had cables come loose with the KnitPicks and also separate entirely from the join. The cable(s) on the Knitter's Pride worked just fine and felt as flexible as KP do. I tried interchanging the cables and they did fit the KP's needles also. I do like the fact the Knitter's Pride comes in a 16" length, which I ordered, as I have sleeves-in-the-round to do on another project. I just might order some of the Knitter's Pride in the metal and see how they compare with Options, which I really like.

It will be interesting to see if anyone has a cable separation problem with the newer brand. Hope not.Crossed Fingers

Jan in CA
12-09-2011, 07:37 PM
I didn't realize the tips were shorter so they would accomodate a 16". I rarely use them anymore preferring ML anyway. Good to know we have a choices now for reasonably priced needles. :thumbsup:

Wanda Witch
12-10-2011, 03:26 PM
:???: I didn't realize the tips were shorter so they would accomodate a 16". I rarely use them anymore preferring ML anyway. Good to know we have a choices now for reasonably priced needles. :thumbsup:



Jan, out of curiosity, I just measured both the Knitter's Pride Cubics I have with my regular Harmony and Option needles, and surprisingly enough, the Knitter's Pride appear to be approximately an eight-of-an-inch longer. I have a pair of the KnitPicks fixed circular on a 16" cable and I felt as though I was knitting with something way too short for my long hand - did not like them at all. I do hope the new needles and 16" cable will not be a problem :???:

Jan in CA
12-10-2011, 07:22 PM
Interesting... It seems to me if the needles are longer then it would be hard to knit with that small of a cable. I don't care as much for the shorter ones myself although I've only used the fixed circular 16" that length.

Wanda Witch
12-10-2011, 10:24 PM
:hair: We'll see, if I ever finish current project and return to the one that requires sleeves knitted in the round. I hope it will work out - or

vvs
10-02-2012, 09:05 PM
Hi,

I went through the entire discussion but not sure which one should I buy..
I have 3 choices
1. Options Interchnagable Harmony set
2. Options Nickel plated
3. Knitters Pride Dreamz

Knitters Pride Dreamz is sold at one of the best yarn store in my city. They are manufactured in India apart from that I dont know anything about them. The local store only has Knitters Pride interchangable brand set and other two i will have to buy online.

I am currently using clover circular needles but want to buy a set since its cheaper..

Any suggestion??

suzeeq
10-02-2012, 09:23 PM
Knitter's Pride is pretty much the same needle as Knit picks needles, same factory makes them to different specifications.

GrumpyGramma
10-02-2012, 09:24 PM
vvs, you might want to get a try it set, both companies have a set with each of the needle types included.

As soon as I can, I'm going to order the wood needles from WEBS because of the different colors and pointy points. I noticed someone else, way at the early part of this thread wasn't thrilled with Addi Turbo. I bought my size 2 with a long cable (don't know how long) for 2 @ time socks and I do not like them. The cable is kinked and spiralled. I bought them locally at Ben Franklin with the understanding that they were returnable and then was told they aren't. Guess I won't be spending money on something expensive I want to try there again, and since I won't be looking for needles I wish to get locally, I won't be looking at their yarn and stuff either. Too bad.

Jan in CA
10-02-2012, 11:16 PM
There's no way anyone can tell you what to get because needle material is all personal preference. I suggest that you get the Try It set and then you can see which one you prefer. Actually I believe the ones at Webs also have a try it type of set. Don't know the name of it though.