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andycoble
04-21-2012, 04:41 PM
ok I started the "Turn heel
Row 1 (WS) Sl 1, p12, p2tog, p1, turn.
Row 2 Sl 1, k6, ssk, k1, turn.
Row 3 Sl 1, p to 1 st before gap, p2tog, p1, turn.
Row 4 Sl 1, k to 1 st before gap, ssk, k1, turn.
Rep rows 3 and 4 once more. Rep row 3.
Next row Sl 1, k12, ssk—all heel sts have been worked
(14 heel sts).

I had no problem with Row 1,2..... Now I am on Row 3 and row 4 and need help.. I know I slip the first stitch, but do not understand how or what the gap is... Is the gap in row 2? Is the "ssk" the gap. Ok then here is how i think it is written then ROW 3 SLIP STITCH 1, PURL 1, PURL 2 TOGETHER, PURL 1 TURN. should I try that or do I not... PLease Help

Ingrid
04-21-2012, 05:41 PM
The gap is where you turned on the previous row. As you work over to it, it should show itself pretty readily.

andycoble
04-23-2012, 07:05 PM
where is the turn from the row I am so comfused

LongShanks
04-23-2012, 08:58 PM
Check out the video under the "Free Videos" / "Advanced Topic" and look down to the knit the heel video (http://www.knittinghelp.com/video/play/working-the-heel-of-a-sock). I think this might help.

If you spread the stitches a little the gap become fairly apparent.

andycoble
04-25-2012, 11:53 PM
ok thank you much for the heel video. I did all the way to this ;;With RS facing and Needle 1, pick up and k 10 sts
along side of heel flap; with Needle 2, k22 instep sts;
with Needle 3, pick up and k 10 sts along side of heel
flap, k7. Pm for beg of rnd and slip rem 7 sts onto
Needle 1—56 sts.
my scok shows something different then the video, it show a different stitch on the side where I pick up stitches. but I could only pick up 5 stitches on the side cause it runs into the next Needle. I understand how to pick up the stitches on the side. What did I do wrong? Here is what i did before I got to this point. Please help me....HEEL
Heel flap
Worked back and forth over next 22 sts.
Set-up row (RS) K22.
Row 1 (WS) Sl 1, p21.
Row 2 Sl 1, k21.
Rep last 2 rows 6 times more.
Turn heel
Row 1 (WS) Sl 1, p12, p2tog, p1, turn.
Row 2 Sl 1, k6, ssk, k1, turn.
Row 3 Sl 1, p to 1 st before gap, p2tog, p1, turn.
Row 4 Sl 1, k to 1 st before gap, ssk, k1, turn.
Rep rows 3 and 4 once more. Rep row 3.
Next row Sl 1, k12, ssk—all heel sts have been worked
(14 heel sts).

LongShanks
04-26-2012, 03:34 AM
Sorry for the delay. I'll have to look at the pattern in detail. I do socks from the toe up and don't pick up stitches on the heel. I'll go over the pattern in the morning and see if I can help.

salmonmac
04-26-2012, 05:41 AM
When you do the heel flap, you should have 15 rows: the set up row, and 7 repeats of rows 1 and 2.

"Heel flap
Worked back and forth over next 22 sts.
Set-up row (RS) K22.
Row 1 (WS) Sl 1, p21.
Row 2 Sl 1, k21.
Rep last 2 rows 6 times more."

That'll give you 7 slipped sts along each edge and they should look somewhat like the video. You can pick up in each slip st and pick up an extra st at the point where the heel is closest to the ribbing. That corner can often leave a hole so it's good to pick up an extra st there anyway and knit it through the back loop to tighten it up and prevent the hole. You could then just increase 2 sts along the heel flap on the next row to give you the 10sts that you need.

LongShanks
04-26-2012, 07:01 AM
salmonmac - Thank You. So far I have only knitted socks from the toe-up I had to think about the issue with the heel flap. I am glad to see that I was on the right track.

andycoble
04-27-2012, 12:17 AM
Ok I will rip it out, to the start of the heel flap again and repeat row 1 and 2,, 7 time, then I will repeat row 2 6 times.... Please help because it dose not say REPEAT ROW 1 AND2 .. 7 TIME... but it dose explane how to get the 10 sts..... I did take picture of what I am doing, but do not know how to insert a picture to show you.

LongShanks
04-27-2012, 01:11 AM
What the instructions say is to knit
"Row 1 (WS) Sl 1, p21.
Row 2 Sl 1, k21."

Then to

"Rep [Repeat] last 2 [both] rows 6 times more."

Both rows will be knit 7 times.

This is a fairly common way to write instructions, however, it is not always clear the first couple of times around. To restate the instructions in long form:

Row 1 (WS) Sl 1, p21.
Row 2 Sl 1, k21
Row 3 (WS) Sl 1, p21.
Row 4 Sl 1, k21
Row 5 (WS) Sl 1, p21.
Row 6 Sl 1, k21
Row 7 (WS) Sl 1, p21.
Row 8 Sl 1, k21
Row 9 (WS) Sl 1, p21.
Row 10 Sl 1, k21
Row 11 (WS) Sl 1, p21.
Row 12 Sl 1, k21
Row 13 (WS) Sl 1, p21.
Row 14 Sl 1, k21


Knitting short hand takes a little to get used to, I can't say how much ripping out I did at the beginning and when I come across a new set of directions.

andycoble
04-27-2012, 02:34 PM
thank again yous are being so help... I will go and restart from that point.. I think I miss read the instructions, I thought said repeat row 2 six times only. Now rereading it the way you have made it.. thank you so much for clearing that up. I will keep tiring to go forward with this sock. But if I have any other problems I will rite back... thank you

LongShanks
04-27-2012, 04:05 PM
When you come to a new section of the pattern or a new technique put in a life line (http://www.knittinghelp.com/video/play/using-a-lifeline). A life line is a piece of yarn, or thread that runs through the the stitches just before the new section. This line is in addition to the yarn being knit and is left in place. If you have to rip out stitches the life line will stop the ripping and make easier to pick-up the stitches.

It is easier to pick-up the stitches with a needle smaller than the one you are knitting with. Then knit off the smaller needle to continue.

Also, I am amazed at the instructions that mysterious appear on the second and third or fourth reading of a pattern. I want to know how these extra instructions are inserted after I print the pattern. :roflhard: :rofl:

andycoble
04-27-2012, 06:05 PM
Ok here is my next section...
GUSSETS
With RS facing and Needle 1, pick up and k 10 sts
along side of heel flap; with Needle 2, k22 instep sts;
with Needle 3, pick up and k 10 sts along side of heel
flap, k7. Pm for beg of rnd and slip rem 7 sts onto
Needle 1—56 sts.
Now I picked up my 10 sts ( pick up and k 10 sts
along side of heel flap;) and knited the next 22 sts on the next 2 needles (with Needle 2, k22 instep sts;). Then I picked up the last 10 sts (Needle 3, pick up and k 10 sts along side of heel
flap). Please help understand this.
( k7. Pm for beg of rnd and slip rem 7 sts onto
Needle 1—56 sts). what is PM???

LongShanks
04-27-2012, 08:31 PM
PM = Place Marker

Again I knit toe-up so bear with me.

Needle one and three should hold your heel and gusset stitches and needle 2 your instep (top of foot) stitches. When you reach the end of needle 1 you will knit until there are three stitches left on the needle. Knit together (K2tog) the third and second stitch for the last and then knit the last stitch. You have begun to close the gusset. knit across needle 2, on needle three knit the first stitch and then knit the next 2 stitches together (K2tog). Knit the remaining stitches on needle three. Next round knit all stitches.

Repeat these two rounds until all gusset stitches have been knit and there are 44 stitches remaining on all needles.


Again you might want to review the video on turning the heel (http://www.knittinghelp.com/video/play/working-the-heel-of-a-sock)

Don't worry after you first sock is just gets easier and more addictive.

LongShanks
04-27-2012, 08:51 PM
Happy knitting

andycoble
04-28-2012, 05:44 PM
ok I think I am lost again,,,, I have 15 sts on Needle 1 and 22 st on Needle 2 and 15 sts on Needle 3 that = 52 sts. Should I have 56 sts???? not what to do here.....
Here is the part before this;;;
Turn heel
Row 1 (WS) Sl 1, p12, p2tog, p1, turn.
Row 2 Sl 1, k6, ssk, k1, turn.
Row 3 Sl 1, p to 1 st before gap, p2tog, p1, turn.
Row 4 Sl 1, k to 1 st before gap, ssk, k1, turn.
Rep rows 3 and 4 once more. Rep row 3.
Next row Sl 1, k12, ssk—all heel sts have been worked
(14 heel sts).

LongShanks
04-28-2012, 08:02 PM
Is this your second sock? Yesterday you were asking about the gusset which would have put you beyond the heel turn. Once you have picked up the stitches for the gusset you should have 56 stitches so you are four short.

Did you have 11 stitches on needles 1 and 3 and 22 stitches on needle 2 before you started to turn the heel?

Once you completed the heel turn did you have 11 stitches on needle 1 and 3 and 14 on needle 2? A total of 36 stitches.

If you had 36 total stitches as you started to pick up stitches for the gusset, did you pick up 10 stitches on each side of the gusset? This would have given you 56 stitches.

You could have turned the heel to far and only had 10 stitches on needle 2 after the heel turn or you did not pick up enough stitches on the sides of the gusset.

And be assured that the socks do get easier after the first pair or two and they can become addictive.

andycoble
04-29-2012, 12:18 AM
I am just going to start all over again. Here is the hole pattern;
CUFF
With 2 strands held together and cable cast-on, cast on
45 sts. Divide sts evenly over 3 needles. Join, taking
care not to twist sts. Place marker for beg of rnd and sl
marker every rnd.
Rnds 1-4 Knit.
Rnd 5 *K2tog, yo; rep from * to last st, k1.
Rnds 6-9 Knit.
Rnd 10 Purl.
Rnds 11-13 Knit.
Rnd 14 K1, *p7, k2; rep from * to last 8 sts, p7, k1.
Rnd 15 K2, *p6, k3; rep from * to last 7 sts, p6, k1.
Rnds 16 and 17 K5, *p2, k7; rep from * to last 4 sts,
p2, k2.
Rnds 18 and 19 K4, *p2, k7; rep from * to last 5 sts,
p2, k3.
Rnds 20 and 21 K3, *p2, k7; rep from * to last 6 sts,
p2, k4.
Rnd 22 K2, *p6, k3; rep from * to last 7 sts, p6, k1.
Rnd 23 *K2, p7; rep from * around.
Rnds 24-26 Knit.
Rnd 27 Purl.
Push knitted piece through needles so it is inside out
withWS facing. The working yarn should be on the
left-hand needle at the beginning of the rnd.
Next rnd With yarn in front, sl 1 st to the left-hand
needle, bring yarn to back and sl that st back to the
right-hand needle, k to the last 2 sts, k2tog—44 sts.
Work 32 rnds in St st (k every rnd).
HEEL
Heel flap
Worked back and forth over next 22 sts.
Set-up row (RS) K22.
Row 1 (WS) Sl 1, p21.
Row 2 Sl 1, k21.
Rep last 2 rows 6 times more.
Turn heel
Row 1 (WS) Sl 1, p12, p2tog, p1, turn.
Row 2 Sl 1, k6, ssk, k1, turn.
Row 3 Sl 1, p to 1 st before gap, p2tog, p1, turn.
Row 4 Sl 1, k to 1 st before gap, ssk, k1, turn.
Rep rows 3 and 4 once more. Rep row 3.
Next row Sl 1, k12, ssk—all heel sts have been worked
(14 heel sts).
GUSSETS
With RS facing and Needle 1, pick up and k 10 sts
along side of heel flap; with Needle 2, k22 instep sts;
with Needle 3, pick up and k 10 sts along side of heel
flap, k7. Pm for beg of rnd and slip rem 7 sts onto
Needle 1—56 sts.
Shape gussets
Rnd 1 For Needle 1, k to last 3 sts, k2tog, k1; for
Needle 2, knit; for Needle 3, k1, ssk, k to end.
Rnd 2 Knit.
Rep rnds 1 and 2 until 44 sts rem.
FOOT
Work in St st until foot measures 6≤"/16.5cm from
back of heel (or 1≥"/4.5cm less than desired length; see
NOTE at right).
TOE
Rnd 1 Knit.
Rnd 2 For Needle 1, k to last 3 sts, k2tog, k1; for
Needle 2, k1, ssk, k to last 3 sts, k2tog, k1; for Needle
3, k1, ssk, k to end.
Rep rnds 1 and 2 until 16 sts rem.
With Needle 3, k4 from Needle 1. Graft toe sts using
Kitchener st.
Fold hem to inside along eyelet round and sew in place
using one strand of yarn.
Weave in ends. Block cuff.

LongShanks
04-29-2012, 07:31 AM
In general it is not a good idea to post complete listing of patterns because of copyright requirements. It is better to post a link to the web page with the pattern. Even when it is a free on line pattern.

Z Cuff Sock (http://www.vogueknitting.com/Default.aspx?TabId=731)

I wound look for checks at the end of each section to check my progress.

At the end of the"
Cuff there should be 44 stitches
Heel flap - 22 heel stitches and 14 rows
Hell Turn - 14 heel stitches
Gusset - pick up 10 stitches each side of the flap
- at the end 56 stitches
Shape Gusset - 44 stitches
Foot - knit until 1 inch short of foot length.

I normally use a highlighter to mark this information or write it on the side of the pattern.

By the end I have comments and notes all over the pattern.

Be aware that once you have worn hand knit socks that truly fit your feet, store bought will not do any more.

andycoble
04-30-2012, 07:29 AM
sorry everyone did not know I could not copy and past my pattern on here... I just thought if I put it on here someone else could try it, to see if they any problems with it. Should I reedit it? Or should I never show it again???? If that is how this forum works I will not get any help.....

LongShanks
04-30-2012, 09:24 AM
If someone has a problem and posts a link to the pattern we can and do go to the link and review the pattern. I went out at the beginning and reviewed and printed the pattern. I have a copy here to review if/when you have problem.


You can and should include small parts of the pattern that you are having a problem with for the fastest response.

"If that is how this forum works I will not get any help....." The forum is trying to follow the copy right laws and respect the authors work product. As for help I thought that you had been receiving help? There is a good group of moderators that are here to provide you with help based on their years of experience. There are also a lot of other users that will give help as best they can.

Antares
05-02-2012, 03:53 PM
Andy, you might try posting your questions in the "How-to Questions" section of this forum. Those questions get answered much more quickly than they do here in the "Knit-Alongs" section which is not checked regularly by many people.

Also, don't be afraid to start a new thread for each new question if you want to. There's no law against that!

And yes, you can get help here, you just need to abide by copyright and forum rules. No biggie--it's something we all have to do!