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GrumpyGramma
11-06-2012, 04:27 PM
I've cast on and started the ribbing, 2 @ time, for Basic Plain Gloves. http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/basic-glove-pattern-2

When I've completed the ribbing for the cuff the pattern is:

Change to St. St. and inc 1 st at end of round
45 (49,51,55) sts.
Hand and shaping thumb gusset:
Rd 1: K22 (24,25, 27), pm, m1L, K1, M1R, pm, K to end
Rd 2: Knit.
Rd 3: K22 (24, 25,27), slm, m1L, K3, M1R, slm, K to end
Rd 4: Knit

and so on...


I'm thinking that as this is a gusseted thumb that it won't make left and right hands. Is this correct? It seems obvious but the obvious and seemingly obvious trip me up way too often.

suzeeq
11-06-2012, 05:29 PM
Right, I think it's a 'neutral' pattern and the gusset is in the same position on both.

GrumpyGramma
11-06-2012, 05:44 PM
Thanks, Sue, I want neither 2 lefts nor 2 rights.

fatoldladyinpjs
11-06-2012, 09:17 PM
This pattern would be the way to go then. The other kind without the gusset is known as a peasant or afterthought thumb. It gives you a definite left and right glove. But you have to be careful where you put the thumb in with scrap yarn or you will end up with two rights or two lefts. Ask me how I know.

GrumpyGramma
11-06-2012, 10:25 PM
This pattern would be the way to go then. The other kind without the gusset is known as a peasant or afterthought thumb. It gives you a definite left and right glove. But you have to be careful where you put the thumb in with scrap yarn or you will end up with two rights or two lefts. Ask me how I know.


How do you know? Was it two lefts or two rights? I wondered if peasant and afterthought thumbs were the same. For once I decided to follow the pattern as written *gasp* and decided before I risked it, I'd ask. Thanks!

fatoldladyinpjs
11-07-2012, 06:02 PM
It was convertible mittens. The most beautiful pair you ever saw. It was only AFTER I was done with both that I discovered I had two rights and no lefts. Ouch!

GrumpyGramma
11-09-2012, 04:36 PM
The row gauge for the pattern is 10 rows per inch. My swatching (in the round) was 10 rows per inch but now I'm getting 12 rows per inch. How do I adjust for the stark reality of actual rows per inch? The pattern calls for increasing 2 sts every 3rd round but I know I need to do something different. What info do I need to provide?

My sts/inch is working out the way it should.

I thought I understood how to figure this out. I was mistaken.

suzeeq
11-09-2012, 04:49 PM
You're getting more rounds per inch so you'd need to make them further apart, maybe every 4th round. Convert the rows to inches according to the pattern gauge, then into rows in your gauge. Every 3 rows is .333" or 1/3 of the 10 rows - .333 times 12 is 4 so that works out the same.

Daylilydayzed
11-09-2012, 07:33 PM
I use the magic loop to knit mittens. I learned this trick from Kelly's video on mitten making on Knit Picks about where to place the gusseted thumb. I come in 4 stitches from where the round begins and place the stitch marker , knit the next two stitches front and back to increase to 4 stitches, place marker. Then plain round . then increase by two stitches on each increase row separated by plain rows between increase rows. One the 2nd mitten, I locate the thumb 4 stitches in from what would be the side seam and repeat the increase rows. When increases have reached 14 stitches, place gusset stitches on waste yarn and knit 2-3 stitches to close that gap and continue in the round.
I hope this will help you.

fatoldladyinpjs
11-10-2012, 12:29 AM
I hate patterns. I like to use a measuring tape and measure the distances. I've done a lot of mittens and convertible mittens. I've done gloves, too, although I really don't like making the fingers. Your distance from where you end the ribbed cuff to the thumb opening is going to be the same as the thumb length. For medium size mittens and gloves, which most people are, is about 2 1/2 inches for these two measurements. From the thumb opening to where you will actually start the fingers is about 1 3/4 to 2 inches depending on your hand size. If these gloves are for you, knit until you get to where your knuckles and fingers meet. If this is for someone else, see if you can get them to trace their hands on a piece of paper for you and measure from that.

A teen/small woman size will be about 2 1/4 inches. Large size will be 2 3/4. The measurements are pretty standard, unless you run into odd people. I'm doing gloves for my in-law. His hands are average but he has long drummer fingers. This also won't work if someone has linebacker/big moose hands. Best to get out that piece of paper and maybe two sheets if they're really large. Hope this helps.

fatoldladyinpjs
11-10-2012, 12:38 AM
Here's an old post of mine. This is mitten measurements. For gloves, you will take the distance from the cuff to the thumb and add 2 inches. For the medium size, this will be about 4 1/2 inches.

http://www.knittinghelp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107336

Looking at this post, I'm not seeing the circumference around the hand. This chart from Knitting on the Net is pretty accurate. These measurements will also work for crocheted mittens and gloves. I just made mittens for my one year old granddaughter using this chart and they fit.

http://www.knittingonthenet.com/patterns/mittensize.htm

GrumpyGramma
11-10-2012, 02:39 AM
I hate patterns. I like to use a measuring tape and measure the distances. I've done a lot of mittens and convertible mittens. I've done gloves, too, although I really don't like making the fingers. Your distance from where you end the ribbed cuff to the thumb opening is going to be the same as the thumb length. For medium size mittens and gloves, which most people are, is about 2 1/2 inches for these two measurements. From the thumb opening to where you will actually start the fingers is about 1 3/4 to 2 inches depending on your hand size. If these gloves are for you, knit until you get to where your knuckles and fingers meet. If this is for someone else, see if you can get them to trace their hands on a piece of paper for you and measure from that.

A teen/small woman size will be about 2 1/4 inches. Large size will be 2 3/4. The measurements are pretty standard, unless you run into odd people. I'm doing gloves for my in-law. His hands are average but he has long drummer fingers. This also won't work if someone has linebacker/big moose hands. Best to get out that piece of paper and maybe two sheets if they're really large. Hope this helps.
:thumbsup:
I must print this to keep for future reference. I prefer making things to fit, as you do, over patterns. I've pretty much ditched the pattern and when I start again I will follow your measurements and expect better results. For you it's designing, for me it's making it up as I go along.

Tonight I started playing with a knitted hem to start a double seed stitch cardi. I'll get back to the gloves when this frustrates me as much as the gloves were. :)

GrumpyGramma
11-10-2012, 02:45 AM
I knew this had been posted and I thought it was you who did. http://www.knittinghelp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107336 I couldn't find it. Thank you so very much!:cheering:

I discovered starting mittens the same as toe up socks. It makes them easy to fit, at least for me. Why did I try it? I don't like grafting, which I believe is what the Kitchener stitch is. That and I tend to do thing upside down and/or backwards anyhow.

fatoldladyinpjs
11-10-2012, 11:27 AM
You can do it either way, up or down. I use an afterthought thumb on mine, forgot to mention that. I tend to knit a little loose. I use size 8 needles. You might want to use a size 7. The cast on for me was 32 stitches. You can use that as a starting guide. I do magic loop. That comes out to 16 stitches per needle. When I get to the fingers, they're divided four stitches per finger on each needle. I cast on 3 stitches for the gap on the first finger. I pick up 3 for the other fingers. I'm sure you know how to do this. To eliminate the gap between the fingers, I switch the two stitches there around crossing them. If you look at those cheap mini dollar store magic gloves, that's how they're done between the fingers.

I have one glove to go for the inlaw. Am babysitting my granddaughter tonight, so I'll have to remember to measure the SIL's hands. His are about the same size as his father's. It's just getting up the gumption to do it. I so hate knitting fingers in gloves.

Edit: Another thought. I like the German Twisted cast on in the KH videos when doing gloves/mittens bottom up. I like Jenny's Surprisingly Stretchy cast off (Youtube) when doing them top down.

fatoldladyinpjs
11-10-2012, 12:13 PM
These gloves are one of my what I call Albatross projects. My worst was the Christening dress from H that I must have frogged 20 times. I was so relieved to see it mailed and GONE. This is something that is so bad that if it were up to you, you'd toss it and never look at it again. I already did the gloves but they came back to me. I have to redo the fingers. He's the oddball with the drummer fingers. But I promised it to him so I've gotta do it.

GrumpyGramma
11-10-2012, 12:52 PM
Am babysitting my granddaughter tonight,

Yea! You said you hadn't been able to see her before, didn't you? Albatross gloves or not, she's a good reason for looking forward to tonight.
:thumbsup:
I'm sweatering now. LOL I'll get back to the gloves. If I want to avoid them longer I have 2 scarves otn, one a drop stitch with Simply Sucky...Soft.... yarn in autum red (I think that's what the red is called, the drop stitch got boring and I've not looked at it for a while) and other with a seeded rib stitch in RH With Love berry red (I like this, it's reversible, very easy, and will be really warm, I might make a headband or hat to match http://smariek.blogspot.com/2007/10/seeded-rib-scarf.html I think it might be a bit thick for mittens or gloves and I've not worked it in the round yet). Then there are the socks I started. If I bothered to really think about it there are probably more WIPs. Like the convertible mittens I need to finish stitching. My GS was pleased with the convertible mittens I made for his Sackboy costume, he liked being able to take thumbs and fingers out, BTW I think it was you who posted a pic of mittens with a slit for the thumb, I figured out how to do that for the Sackboy mittens. You're turning into something of a guru! and certainly inspire me.

fatoldladyinpjs
11-11-2012, 11:53 PM
You're making me blush! I just hate being chained to a pattern. I like using the size needles and yarn I want. I don't like having to count rows because I'm lazy and always lose count anyway. After a while, you know your gauge and yarn and it's easy to knit or crochet to fit someone. I know you crochet, too. Those measurements should be good for crocheted mittens as well.

GrumpyGramma
11-12-2012, 12:14 AM
Another reason I have trouble with patterns is that they won't fit me. If I have to make so many modifications, why not just do it from scratch. It's challenging learning to do sweaters for myself, but I will succeed! I'll make gloves too. Sometime. Soon. Maybe. :) I thought I should start with a glove pattern because I haven't any real idea how to deal with placing the fingers. Meanwhile I've come across a different way of working sock heels that I want to try, I can't remember what it's called but I think it starts with an F. You work increases (on toe up socks) then the short rows decrease.

fatoldladyinpjs
11-12-2012, 09:25 AM
Well, you crochet. You might want to consider crocheting gloves. Teresa has an excellent tutorial. This is for fingerless gloves, but all you'd have to do is extend the fingertips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWce01q3H_4&feature=plcp