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crocee
11-11-2012, 09:27 AM
OK I'm trying to continue a tradition started by my mother who passed away in 2009. She would either knit or crochet afghans for special folks she thought deserved them. These afghans were always either Angels Everywhere or Captive Hearts from Shady Lane. I'm doing the Captive Hearts Afghan and am having a little trouble trying to figure out how to complete a row.

The first 3 rows are all single crochet and I have those done. Its the 4th row I'm having trouble with. The pattern reads:
Join CC with sc in first st (I get this part). The trouble comes here, dc in fl of next 2 rows below,. Is there a video somewhere that shows how to do this? There are a couple pictures on the pattern showing what to do but I can't seem to get my brain wrapped around the concept.

This is the first pattern of this type I've tried to do but so far I think I like it. Its really easy to figure out what row your on since each row is cut and finished off. All you have to do is count the fringe ends. Both the Angels and the Hearts patterns are made in a similar fashion so once I get this part figured out the rest should be a breeze. Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

suzeeq
11-11-2012, 10:36 AM
Have you figured out the 'fl' means 'front loop'? You might be able to find a video on youtube by searching for 'front loop dc' or spell out double crochet. Usually in crochet you would put the hook through both loops of the stitch on the previous row, the chain - but for the fl you only putt into the loop that's facing you. There's also some stitches where you would make the stitch in the back loop only.

crocee
11-11-2012, 12:28 PM
The pattern has an explanation about the fl being front loop. Its the 2 rows below I'm having trouble with. I will look at the piece I've made so far and see if I can figure out just where the front loop is on that row 2 down.

suzeeq
11-11-2012, 12:39 PM
Yes, doing it on the stitch 2 rows below will make an elongated stitch or a folded up one. It may also mean the same as 'front post' which doesn't mean to make the stitch in the top loop, but in the vertical loop of a dc instead.

I found a picture (http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g132/TXCrochetLover/Crochet/060108212.jpg), and it looks like the regular rows are done through the back loop, leaving the front loops free. Or is it Tunisian crochet? In that case there would be a front loop to work into.

crocee
11-11-2012, 12:55 PM
Yes, doing it on the stitch 2 rows below will make an elongated stitch or a folded up one. It may also mean the same as 'front post' which doesn't mean to make the stitch in the top loop, but in the vertical loop of a dc instead.

I found a picture (http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g132/TXCrochetLover/Crochet/060108212.jpg), and it looks like the regular rows are done through the back loop, leaving the front loops free. Or is it Tunisian crochet? In that case there would be a front loop to work into.

That picture looks to be the same pattern but it says to work the fl of the row 2 below. SC's are worked into the back loop. I will have to look at Tunisian Crochet to see if this is what they're talking about.

suzeeq
11-11-2012, 01:20 PM
Yes, if you work the stitch into the loop of the stitch 2 rows below, you'll have that vertical line that appears.

GrumpyGramma
11-11-2012, 02:07 PM
Is it possible for you to link to the pattern or a picture of it? I did a search and came up empty handed for the pattern.
I don't think it's Tunisian, you'd know it was not ordinary crochet because in Tunisian you work the stitches in two passes, the first picking them up and holding them on the needle much like knitting and the second to work them off. However, I have been wrong once or twice...maybe even three times in my life.:wink:

Tunisian simple stitch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFdI5fc_iDE
This video is working in the back loop but maybe it will help you see what you need to do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu2GzJHCgwE

HTH

crocee
11-11-2012, 02:39 PM
Is it possible for you to link to the pattern or a picture of it? I did a search and came up empty handed for the pattern.
I don't think it's Tunisian, you'd know it was not ordinary crochet because in Tunisian you work the stitches in two passes, the first picking them up and holding them on the needle much like knitting and the second to work them off. However, I have been wrong once or twice...maybe even three times in my life.:wink:

Tunisian simple stitch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFdI5fc_iDE
This video is working in the back loop but maybe it will help you see what you need to do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu2GzJHCgwE

HTH

Its not possible to link to the pattern due to copyright.

15th set down the page
http://www.shadylane.com/afghanspg2.htm

The picture suzeeq linked to looks the same but closeup.

crocee
11-11-2012, 02:46 PM
In the notes of the pattern it states: All sc's are worked in the back loop. All dc's are worked in the front loop of st of 2nd row below the one being worked.

I'm wondering if I need to frog these 3 rows of sc I've done so far. These were done as regular sc and not using the back loop. I was thinking the back loop would be used when the actual pattern started.I'm now wondering if it does indeed make a difference.

GrumpyGramma
11-11-2012, 03:05 PM
I'm wondering if I need to frog these 3 rows of sc I've done so far. These were done as regular sc and not using the back loop. I was thinking the back loop would be used when the actual pattern started.I'm now wondering if it does indeed make a difference.

Yes, it does seem to make a difference. Crocheting in the back loop only is what produces the ridges on the front that can be seen in the close up.

All dc's are worked in the front loop of st of 2nd row below the one being worked.

That's a drop stitch, worked in the front loop only. I knew it had a name, I finally stumbled across it. This video is for working in both loops but you can easily work it front loop only I bet.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hhZ5f-NRXY
HTH

I love that pattern, if I ever do a real crochet project again that may be it.

crocee
11-11-2012, 06:17 PM
Yes, it does seem to make a difference. Crocheting in the back loop only is what produces the ridges on the front that can be seen in the close up.



That's a drop stitch, worked in the front loop only. I knew it had a name, I finally stumbled across it. This video is for working in both loops but you can easily work it front loop only I bet.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hhZ5f-NRXY
HTH

I love that pattern, if I ever do a real crochet project again that may be it.
Thank you. I'm going to try this and see if it works. I'll redo the first 3 sc rows by using only the back loops.

crocee
12-02-2012, 04:22 AM
Ok I got the drop stitch mastered somewhat and ran into another problem I think. In the pattern it says:
SC, *DC, (sc, dc) 9 times, 19 sc, repeat from * 5 (other afghans 3) more times, (dc sc) 10 times.

If my little brain is reading this correctly I should sc, then dc, then sc 9x for a total of 18 dc's separated by a sc between each one????? do this 5 times. What the heck is the 10 times thing? this afghan is not THAT big.



The parts in parentheses are for the other sizes that can be made with this pattern according to the notes.

MGM
12-02-2012, 02:00 PM
SC, *DC, (sc, dc) 9 times, 19 sc, repeat from * 5 (other afghans 3) more times, (dc sc) 10 times.


means this:
SC
*DC
sc, dc
sc, dc
sc, dc
sc, dc
sc, dc
sc, dc
sc, dc
sc, dc
sc, dc
19 sc
*
work from * to * 5 more times (so you do the above section 6 times total)
dc, sc
dc, sc
dc, sc
dc, sc
dc, sc
dc, sc
dc, sc
dc, sc
dc, sc
dc, sc

for a total of 249 stitches in this row. If you're using small-ish yarn, that's not all that big.

This section of the pattern must also be used for other patterns as well, and in those other patterns, you would do the *to* section only 3 times.

If any of you other crocheters read this differently, please feel free to correct!

Hope this helps!

MGM

GrumpyGramma
12-02-2012, 02:34 PM
I agree with MGM. I couldn't figure out how to say it. That works well!

crocee
12-02-2012, 03:46 PM
OK that's why it looks funny. I think I doubled it up so its off to frog it again. There singular rows are easy to pull out but its still a pain. Luckily its only 6 rows.

crocee
12-02-2012, 04:22 PM
If I'm understanding you correctly the 2nd half of the row is worked backwards to the end. How can something so simple be so confuzzling?

MGM
12-02-2012, 06:35 PM
If I'm understanding you correctly the 2nd half of the row is worked backwards to the end. How can something so simple be so confuzzling?

Well not exactly. It's more like repeating sections of single/double and just single, so one row would look like this, where s=one sc and d=one dc and it's all strung together in one row:

sdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsssssssssssssssssssdsdsdsdsdsd sdsdsdsdsssssssssssssssssssdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdssss sssssssssssssssdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdssssssssssssssss sssdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsssssssssssssssssssdsdsdsdsd sdsdsdsdsdsssssssssssssssssssdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsd

Hope this helps visualize it.

MGM

MGM
12-02-2012, 06:40 PM
To clarify it a little further:

sdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsssssssssssssssssssdsdsdsdsdsd sdsdsdsdsssssssssssssssssssdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdssss sssssssssssssssdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdssssssssssssssss sssdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsssssssssssssssssssdsdsdsdsd sdsdsdsdsdsssssssssssssssssssdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsd

Each color change is a section of the instruction, and this is all in one row

MGM

MGM
12-02-2012, 06:47 PM
Let's try that again...

To clarify it a little further:

s
dsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsssssssssssssssssss
dsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsssssssssssssssssss
dsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsssssssssssssssssss
dsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsssssssssssssssssss
dsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsssssssssssssssssss
dsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsssssssssssssssssss
dsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsd

Each color change is a section of the instruction, and this is all in one row

MGM

crocee
12-02-2012, 10:19 PM
I sure wish you had written this pattern cause you make it so easy to understand. I may get this done in time to be mailed off before Christmas. Thank you so much.

MGM
12-02-2012, 11:29 PM
I sure wish you had written this pattern cause you make it so easy to understand. I may get this done in time to be mailed off before Christmas. Thank you so much.

Fabulous! Just make sure to take a few pictures before you mail it and post them here so we can see your lovely work! I am very anxious to see how this turns out!

MGM

crocee
12-03-2012, 01:33 AM
Oh I will take several pictures of this one.
The rest of the directions look similar so I shouldn't have any more trouble, I hope anyway.

crocee
12-03-2012, 03:36 AM
This is coming out so much better now that I have a correct comprehension of the directions. It sure does make a difference.

GrumpyGramma
12-03-2012, 01:11 PM
This is coming out so much better now that I have a correct comprehension of the directions. It sure does make a difference.

Funny how that works. I've noticed the same thing. I find knitting patterns are simpler to work with than some of the crochet patterns I used. Now you're making it through this, just think of the experience you've gained and all you've learned. Bravo!

If you run into another problem you know you can get more help here.

crocee
12-03-2012, 07:51 PM
Ran into another issue.
2 sc, *dc, (sc dc) 8 times, 10 sc, dc, 10 sc repeat from * 5 (other afghans 3) more times, dc (sc dc) 8 times, 2 sc

It seems I'm missing something really simple here. I got the first part of the row instructions but the 2nd part eludes me. I've had to frog it several times because things are not lining up as they should. Where is this 2nd part supposed to go?

MGM
12-03-2012, 08:14 PM
Ran into another issue.
2 sc, *dc, (sc dc) 8 times, 10 sc, dc, 10 sc repeat from * 5 (other afghans 3) more times, dc (sc dc) 8 times, 2 sc


means this:

ss

d
sdsdsdsdsdsdsdsd
ssssssssss
d
ssssssssss

d
sdsdsdsdsdsdsdsd
ssssssssss
d
ssssssssss

d
sdsdsdsdsdsdsdsd
ssssssssss
d
ssssssssss

d
sdsdsdsdsdsdsdsd
ssssssssss
d
ssssssssss

d
sdsdsdsdsdsdsdsd
ssssssssss
d
ssssssssss

d
sdsdsdsdsdsdsdsd
ssssssssss
d
ssssssssss

d

sdsdsdsdsdsdsdsd

ss

all of that in one row. Hope this helps!

MGM

crocee
12-04-2012, 09:30 AM
Well that is what I thought it meant but when i did it it didn't line up right. Part of it was way off. I'm beginning to think it might be best for me to completely start this one over. That last part was only 11 rows so its not quite that much time lost.