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eadunphy
03-27-2013, 09:59 AM
Good Day - I hope someone can help me understand a pattern. Here is the pattern: http://www.favecrafts.com/crochet-sweaters/granny-square-crochet-patterns#

I have made the 11 motifs and joined them. The next part is for Foundation rnd for the body and where I am having difficulties.

It reads:Foundation rnd for Body: Size XS only: With RS of work facing, join yarn with sl st to any motif corner sc. Ch 1. 1 sc in same sp as last sl st. *Work 21 sc across top of motif. 1 sc in joining sp between motifs. Rep from * around. Join with sl st to first sc. 220 sc.
Sizes M and XL only:With RS of work facing, join yarn with sl st to any motif corner sc. Ch 1. 1 sc in same sp as last sl st.Work 20 sc across top of first motif. [(1 sc in joining sp between motifs. Work 21 sc across top of next motif ) (4-1) time(s). 2 sc in joining sp between motifs. Work 21 sc across top of next motif ] (2-4) times. (1 sc in joining sp between motifs. Work 21 sc across top of next motif ) (0-3) times. 1 sc in joining sp between motifs. Join with sl st to first sc. (244-268) sc.

I am making a M sized tunic but don't understand [1 sc in joining sp between motifs. Work 21 sc across top of next motif) (4-1) time(s). 2 sc in joining sp between motifs. Work 21 sc across top of next motif] (2-4) times. etc.

what is the 4-1? and the 2-1? Am I working in the round? Thanks for your help I am on vacation without any knitting store around for help so I very much appreciate your time.

Elizabeth

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Antares
03-27-2013, 10:56 AM
It looks like the "4-1" and the "2-1" are referring to the different sizes (either M or XL). So for M, you'd do the first directions 4 times and the second directions 2 times. Then you'd skip the third directions (you've got a 0 for your size there). Don't forget to do the "1 sc in joining sp between motifs."

And, yes, since this is for the body, you are working in the round. Notice the last line of the directions you quoted says to "Join with sl st to first sc. (244-268) sc."

Lovely pattern. Do come back and post a picture when you're done! PLEEEEEASE!

eadunphy
03-28-2013, 10:59 PM
thank you for the information above - it was very helpful. Now I am on to shaping the armholes and am running into a problem again. This has been a very difficult pattern to understand. So here it is:

Armhole shaping: sl st in first dc. (sl st in next dc, ch 1 sp, dc) 3 times

What do they mean by ch 1 sp??? The previous row is a v stitch with a chain one space between 2 dcs is this the space they are talking about and if so am I just skipping it or doing a dc in the ch 1 sp???? Or am I creating another space ughhh.......

thank you for your help - really do appreciate it.

GrumpyGramma
03-29-2013, 12:32 AM
thank you for the information above - it was very helpful. Now I am on to shaping the armholes and am running into a problem again. This has been a very difficult pattern to understand. So here it is:

Armhole shaping: sl st in first dc. (sl st in next dc, ch 1 sp, dc) 3 times

What do they mean by ch 1 sp??? The previous row is a v stitch with a chain one space between 2 dcs is this the space they are talking about and if so am I just skipping it or doing a dc in the ch 1 sp???? Or am I creating another space ughhh.......

thank you for your help - really do appreciate it.

Slip stitch in the first dc; slip stitch in the next dc; slip stitch in the chain of the V stitch. Repeat this part (sl st in next dc, ch 1 sp, dc) 3 times.

What you're doing is moving your working yarn to where you start making more stitches to lengthen the rest of the top w/o adding length under the arm. Slip stitching in each dc and chain 1 space will do it neatly. If I'm counting correctly you'll be slip stitching in 13 stitches and you'll want to make sure you leave the same number of stitches unworked at the end of the row.

That's a really cute top.

Antares
03-29-2013, 09:09 AM
Slip stitch in the first dc; slip stitch in the next dc; slip stitch in the chain of the V stitch. Repeat this part (sl st in next dc, ch 1 sp, dc) 3 times.

What you're doing is moving your working yarn to where you start making more stitches to lengthen the rest of the top w/o adding length under the arm. Slip stitching in each dc and chain 1 space will do it neatly. If I'm counting correctly you'll be slip stitching in 13 stitches and you'll want to make sure you leave the same number of stitches unworked at the end of the row.

That's a really cute top.

I get a different count, GG. I think she should be slip stitching in 10 stitches altogether. You do the sl st in the first dc = 1 + the part in parens three times = 9 for a total of 10.

What am I missing here? :??

eadunphy
03-29-2013, 09:28 AM
ahhh so simple when I hear it from you ladies :thumbsup: I am excited to move on!! It is coming out reallly pretty.

thanks again,
Elizabeth

GrumpyGramma
03-29-2013, 11:32 AM
I get a different count, GG. I think she should be slip stitching in 10 stitches altogether. You do the sl st in the first dc = 1 + the part in parens three times = 9 for a total of 10.

What am I missing here? :??


I don't think you're missing anything, I do think you have it right. :thumbsup: I was counting the stitches inside ( ) and then counting them 3 more times. Thanks for getting it right. Good thing there's more than one person to comment on questions, especially when counting and I are involved. How do I manage it when I work a pattern? Somehow I do. Eventually.

eadunphy
04-16-2013, 07:00 AM
:waving: and here I am again as my project progresses. Hope you all are well and have a moment to spare to once again enlighten me. The sweater is progressing well with just a few hitches in my git-a-long. The front is complete, the back is complete and I have almost finished one sleeve.

Looking ahead my next step is to "Shape Top" - the pattern reads as such:

All Sizes: Shape Top: 1st row: Sl st in first dc. (Sl st in next dc, ch 1 sp, dc) twice. Sl st in next dc. Ch 3 (counts as dc). Miss next ch 1 sp and dc. V-st in each V-st to last 3 V-sts.Miss next dc and ch-1 sp of next V-st. 1 dc in next dc of same V-st. Turn. Leave rem sts unworked.
2nd row: Ch 3. 1 dc in ch-1 sp of next V-st. Vst in each V-st to last V-st. 1 dc in ch-1 sp of last V-st. 1 dc in top of turning ch. Turn.
3rd row: Ch 3. Miss first 2 dc. V-st in each V-st to last dc. Miss last dc. 1 dc in top of turning ch. Turn.
Rep 2nd and 3rd rows until there are 6 V-sts.
Fasten off.

Read more at http://www.favecrafts.com/Crochet-Sweaters/Granny-Square-Crochet-Patterns#xhTR2ATK7HdEbyTY.99

I'm not quite sure where I am supposed to do this??? As you can see from the pattern it is a v-neck and the right and left are shoulder pieces. Is this where I start?????

Thanks for your time and help again - it really is appreciated!
Elizabeth

eadunphy
04-16-2013, 07:15 AM
and, while we are at it, the pattern seems off on the sleeves and I'm not sure how to proceed. Here is how it reads:

SLEEVES
Make 3 Motifs.
Join Motifs in a row as given for Size S of Front.
Foundation row:With RS of work facing, join yarn with sl st to right corner sc. Ch 1. 1 sc in same sp as last sl st. Work 25 sc across top of first motif. (4 sc in joining sp between motifs. Work 23 sc across top of next motif ) twice.
Turn. 80 sc.
Next row: (WS). Ch 3 (counts as dc). (Miss next sc. V-st in next sc. Miss next sc) 26 times. 1 dc in last sc. Turn. 26 V-sts.
2nd row: Ch 3 (counts as dc). V-st in each V-st to end of row. 1 dc in top of turning ch. Turn.
Last row forms pat.
Rep last row 13 (3-3-3-3) times more.
Proceed as follows:
1st row: (RS). Ch 3. 1 dc in first dc. V-st in each V-st to end of row. 2 dc in top of ch 3. Turn.
2nd row: Ch 3. Miss first dc. 1 dc in next dc. V-st in each V-st to last dc. 1 dc in last dc. 1 dc in top of turning ch. Turn.
3rd row: Ch 3. Miss first dc. V-st in next dc. V-st in each V-st to last dc. V-st in last dc. 1 dc in top of turning ch. Turn.
4th row: Ch 3. V-st in each V-st to end of row.
1 dc in top of turning ch. Turn. 30 sts V-st. Rep last row 10 (8-4-2-2) times more.[/COLOR]
Sizes S, M, L and XL only: Rep last (12-8-6- 6) rows (1-2-3-3) time(s) more. (30-32-34-34) V-sts.

Read more at http://www.favecrafts.com/crochet-sweaters/granny-square-crochet-patterns#3BSMKDboOdBSyGBm.99

Herein lies the issue - my sleeve had 26 stitches - if I follow the pattern as stated (and highlighted in green) it should increase my stitches by 4 so I can then proceed on the 4th row 4x (highlighted in purple). However, the pattern only increases it by 2 stitches. I worked around that and got to the 30 stitches but then I'm supposed to rep the last 8 rows 2 more times and it says I should end up at 32 stitches - by all means the way it is written I would end up with 34 stitches. I am making this sweater a Medium.

Am I making more out of this then I need to? Should I go with the increases as I know they should be and end with 34 or should I just follow the last 4 rows without increasing and just v st????

I hope I am not to confusing in my questions - little did I know how much math played in all this needle work ;)

Thanks,
Elizabeth

Antares
04-16-2013, 08:38 AM
All Sizes: Shape Top: 1st row: Sl st in first dc. (Sl st in next dc, ch 1 sp, dc) twice. Sl st in next dc. Ch 3 (counts as dc). Miss next ch 1 sp and dc. V-st in each V-st to last 3 V-sts.Miss next dc and ch-1 sp of next V-st. 1 dc in next dc of same V-st. Turn. Leave rem sts unworked.
2nd row: Ch 3. 1 dc in ch-1 sp of next V-st. Vst in each V-st to last V-st. 1 dc in ch-1 sp of last V-st. 1 dc in top of turning ch. Turn.
3rd row: Ch 3. Miss first 2 dc. V-st in each V-st to last dc. Miss last dc. 1 dc in top of turning ch. Turn.
Rep 2nd and 3rd rows until there are 6 V-sts.
Fasten off.

The directions above are under the sleeve directions, so this is most likely the sleeve cap. If you look at the diagram of the sleeve, you will see that the sleeve is indented about an inch or so at the top and then forms a "bubble." I believe this is what all these directions are trying to get you to do.

As for your second question, I see on Ravelry that several people have had problems with this pattern; however, I don't see any errata listed. Plus, my final count says you would have 34 V-sts, too. SO . . . at this point, since it's probably not going to mess up any patterns or anything, my question is, do you need a little extra room in your sleeve (you can use contrasting yarn to seam it together loosely and try it on)? If so, stick with the 34 V-sts. If it fits fine with the 32 V-sts, then don't increase that last time. Really, though, two extra V-sts may make very little difference in fit, but if you need more room, then here is a good place to add it! And just to cover all bases, check the length of the sleeve based on the diagrams. Those diagrams are wonderful--if you use them.

Oh, and be sure you make a note of what you did here so you can repeat it on the second sleeve.

eadunphy
04-16-2013, 09:12 AM
Fabulous!!! Thanks for the clarifications! This pattern has been a mess and despite my guage working out perfectly this sweater is NOT coming out as the diagram measures :-( My Med is turning into an XL. I am hoping that bigger is okay with this sweater. Hopefully it will lend a more casual look and not an "WOW, she is wearing that sweater awfully big" look lol Thanks for your time and helping me understand!
Elizabeth