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KnitandPurl
04-23-2013, 07:35 AM
I may be crazy but I didn't realize this pattern is intermediate rather than beginner. I'm going ahead anyway and taking it slow.

I'm looking over the pattern and have a few basic pre-start questions. Here's the pattern - http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/vivace-socks

The finished measurements are listed as 7 1/2" circumference but doesn't say what part of the leg/foot it refers to. The widest part of my foot is 7" but mid-calf I'm more like 10" if I need the sock a bit smaller or bigger is that easy to do?

Also I noticed that it has no ribbing. Does that mean it would be slouchier than normal? If its already going to be big on me, I don't want it any looser than it already is.

I kinda want to figure this all before I start so I don't run into problems later.

Thanks.

Antares
04-23-2013, 08:11 AM
I don't know about the sizing (others will help you with that, I'm sure), but I do know that Stephanie Pearl McPhee does NOT recommend making socks without ribbing. She says they always slide down and bunch up around your ankles. On second thought, though, that may be what you want.

They're very pretty!

KnitandPurl
04-23-2013, 08:16 AM
She says they always slide down and bunch up around your ankles. On second thought, though, that may be what you want.

They're very pretty!

Thanks Antares. That's exactly what I DON'T want. Hmm, as much as I love these socks, I'm wondering if this is the right pattern for my first sock.

Antares
04-23-2013, 08:31 AM
I was looking at the comments of other Ravelers who made these socks; some of them used ribbing in place of the picot edge. Of course, the picot edge is what gives the socks a really dainty look.

I don't know whether you could do both ribbing and a picot edge or not. If this is your first sock and you're fairly new to knitting, you may not be up for changing a pattern that much right off the bat. However, just doing the ribbing would be easy enough.

N0obKnitter
04-23-2013, 09:04 AM
60 sts would be too small for me, though your pattern calls for size 2 needles, right?

recommend the book "getting started knitting socks" by Ann Budd. In your pattern they don't tell you "needle 1" etc which I prefer. Use stitch markers.

Paulaque
04-23-2013, 09:24 AM
then you are going to have to cast on more sts if you are doing top down, and definitely definitely definitely rib rib rib, there is no replacement for it, and without it your socks will just fall off, check ravelry for a basic sock pattern, I find that the k1 p1 rib works best, I have diabetic socks that aren't as comfy!

GrumpyGramma
04-23-2013, 01:16 PM
If this pattern is what you want, I'm not sure you'll end up with socks you can really use. My preference for socks that stay up is to have ribbing on the foot, all the way around the arch, as well as the top: it helps the foot stay in place snugly but not too tightly and therefore the top doesn't slouch down as easily because the heel isn't being pulled towards my toe as much. If the goal is to have socks that fit you and you can wear, I'd suggest checking out Silvers Sock Class (http://www.cometosilver.com/socks/) or even Lifestyle Socks (http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/lifestyle-toe-up-socks---no-swatch-needed). Lifestyle socks was where I first learned to make socks and every pair so far has been wearable and stays up. Toe-up allows you to adjust the number of stitches as you move up your foot. Need more room so the heel fits over your foot easily when you put it on? Then add them. Want the cuff snugger? Go down a needle size or two or three. I've done the instep on size 1 needles, the main part of the ribbing on size 0 needles, realized it was too loose at the top and dropped down to size 000. One of these days maybe I'll get around to using an actual, for-real sock pattern but at this point, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

One other note: For your first pair you might consider doing a pair in a heavier yarn. Fewer stitches, quicker reults, easier to learn the different techniques you'll need for toes and heels.

Have fun! Socks are addictive.

KnitandPurl
04-23-2013, 02:17 PM
Thanks for the suggestion, GG but I know i won't wear thick socks so using a thicker yarn will be wasting both and I already have the sock weight yarn.

The circumference of my leg right above my ankle is a little over 7.5" so that could work but 7.5" is definitely too big for my foot.

I haven't been able to find a sock pattern with a foot circumference of less than 7.5".

GrumpyGramma
04-23-2013, 03:36 PM
I was looking at your pattern and I don't see anything that would make it terribly difficult. The picot hem might be a reason for classifying it intermediate, or maybe working the heel flap and doing Kitchener stitching on the toe. After you work the leg you should be able to determine a stitch count to fit your foot and if you need to decrease, just divide the decreases evenly or do a triangular shaped decrease on each side of the sock.

KnitandPurl
04-23-2013, 08:59 PM
Thanks GG!

Do you think I could do a 2x2 rib pattern on the leg part instead of the stockinette?

justplaincharlotte
04-23-2013, 10:20 PM
Thanks GG!

Do you think I could do a 2x2 rib pattern on the leg part instead of the stockinette?

I'm not GG (who I adore, BTW!), and those are lovely socks! I believe you can do your 2x2 rib as long as the number of stitches you're working on is a multiple of 4.

Have fun on the socks, and do post a pic so we can see them when complete!:knitting:

GrumpyGramma
04-23-2013, 10:52 PM
Thanks GG!

Do you think I could do a 2x2 rib pattern on the leg part instead of the stockinette?

Charlotte answered your question. I'm going to be less helpful and say you can do anything you want, after all they're your socks! I really, truly have never used a sock pattern so I really don't have experience with adjusting things on a sock pattern. I'm wearing the pair I was working on earlier when I responded and then did some more looking at your pattern. I was determined to do the bind offs and get the ends woven in and get them on my feet for a fitting...and they're still there, on my feet, not yet washed. *sigh* Even socks made with SockEase feel delightful.

If you do ribbing with the same size needle on the same number of stitches, you'll probably be sorry. You need to go down a needle size (or 2) or use fewer stitches. As I always use smaller needles, I don't know how many fewer stitches you would want.

I just measured around my leg at my sock top, it's about the same as yours, I counted 60 sts in the sock top and in 2x2 ribbing on sz. 0 needles, I really do wish I'd used smaller ones, I might take the top inch or so out and rework it on 000 dpns. Ribbing makes a huge difference. I really do wish I could be more helpful.

I'm not GG (who I adore, BTW!), and those are lovely socks! I believe you can do your 2x2 rib as long as the number of stitches you're working on is a multiple of 4.

Have fun on the socks, and do post a pic so we can see them when complete!:knitting:

Ah, shucks, Charlotte. Thanks for the :heart:. I think I needed that. You seem to know what people need, when they need it. It must be a gift. The feeling's mutual. Are you a sockaholic too? :muah:

justplaincharlotte
04-24-2013, 08:45 PM
Are you a sockaholic too? :muah:

Honored to share some happiness with you! :muah:

Sockaholic and baby sweaterholic of late. I seem to always have at least 2 of each OTN at any given time, and at least 1 pair of socks are tube socks so that I can knit without thinking, just measure every so often. For an adult, 14 inches of knitting after a 2x2 ribbed cuff, then a star toe (k X sts, k2tog every other rnd, like for a hat, and finished the same way). Recipe yields one work-crazed, highly distracted Charlotte-proof sock. :teehee:

GrumpyGramma
04-24-2013, 09:27 PM
Have you ever done an afterthought heel? I've considered trying it. I could knit a tube, leave an opening for the heel, and not have to worry about running out of yarn. I'd still do toe-up. I'm definitely a toe-up kind of gal. Kitchener stitching ain't my bag. Star toe? Does that involve the KS? You didn't mention it, I notice when I look again. Must google.

ETA I just found a Knitting Daily thing about round toes and star toes. I may have to do some cuff downs just to try them. :) Thanks!

justplaincharlotte
04-24-2013, 09:49 PM
Have you ever done an afterthought heel? I've considered trying it. I could knit a tube, leave an opening for the heel, and not have to worry about running out of yarn. I'd still do toe-up. I'm definitely a toe-up kind of gal. Kitchener stitching ain't my bag. Star toe? Does that involve the KS? You didn't mention it, I notice when I look again. Must google.

Never done an afterthought heel, though I've thought about it. No need to google a star toe. And no Kitchener stitch, which I'm still convinced was created by Satan to torment knitters. ;)

A star toe finishes the sock toe just like the top of a hat. It's just regular decreasing every other round, until you get down to about 8 sts then weave the yarn through those sts, and pull tight. Just like a hat, you can sew the tip closed if you choose for reinforcement. The finished toe will look like a star with the dec rounds spiraling out from the very tip.