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amourbliss
03-14-2005, 11:31 PM
I'm trying to make my first felted bag, but the dilemma is I can't find a pattern that works with the materials I have!! I figured I would imitate my cell phone cozy pattern just bigger!! So far I have 52 cast ons on size 7 needles and I don't know what to do next!!! I can't decide whether to do just plain garter stitch or stockinette. Any ideas...suggestions!!! :rollseyes:

amy
03-15-2005, 12:09 AM
Welcome amourbliss!

Here's just about all I know about felting! I'm an amature at felting, but I'll share what I think I know.

Felted projects are usually knit on larger needles than normal for the yarn. They also shrink dramatically, and the rate at which they shrink is dramatically different for different yarns, so it's best not to combine different yarns if you're going for consistency; unless you've done a test felt and confirmed they have the same rater of shrinkage. Remember to use wool or other animal fiber. You can test to see if the fiber felts, by trying to make a felted join, as on the basic techniques/ more page. Wool will always felt, with the exception of the white-white or very light wools that have been bleached, since bleach changes the fiber surface and can affect its ability to felt. When in doubt, test it! And if the white does felt, test to see if it felts with the same ease as other colors if you plan on mixing them!

Be aware that felting will dramatically change the proportion of your item. Felting shrinks more height-wise (over the rows), than it does width-wise (over the stitches).

Here's a useful link (http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/QQ/database/QQ.09.03/sara1.html) for figuring out the math from your own test swatch, to determine how many stitches to cast-on. I've had similar results as the sample given, in my own felting experiences. Here's my own numbers, using knitpick.com's wool of the andes yarn, and size 10 1/2 needles. I started with a gauge of 3.5sts and 4.75rows to the inch, in stockinette. (The yarn is normally knit at 4.5sts/inch, but it's done bigger for felting.) I wouldn't worry about having an exact guage to begin with; if it's too big, you just felt it longer, ya know? If you've knitted with smaller needles, like those normally used for the yarn, you can still try to felt it. I imagine you'd just felt it less.

Here's how I figure out how big to make something. These numbers are based on a test swatch I did. I've found that the shape of the object can affect how it's felted when done in a washing machine, so this is not fool proof. I used a top-loader washer, and hot water, and two pairs of jeans , or other objects to add friction without adding lots of lint to your felted project. If the other objects give off lint, which even jeans can do a little bit, this will adhere and become a part of your object. Kimmie here on our forum says she puts her objects in a pillow case and felts them inside to protect from stray lint. (Great idea!) Soap is optional.

Size is in inches...

For good, well-felted, slightly dense finish:
Stitches: (desired size) x 1.2 = pre-felting size.
Rows: (desired size) x 1.42 = pre-felting size.

For very dense felting:
Stitches: (desired size) x 1.43 = pre-felting size.
Rows: (desired size) x 1.78 = pre-felting size.

I'm going to make a large bag based on these numbers. I may tweak these numbers when I'm done. We'll see how accurate they are for a larger object. The biggest challenge with figuring out these numbers, was that the square test swatch looked hour-glass shape in the end! I don't know why that was! I took the measurement of the most shrunken area; so we'll see if that holds true for the actual project.

Happy felting!
Amy

amourbliss
03-15-2005, 12:24 AM
:doh: Why are they usually done on larger needles? Is it ok to use smaller ones?

amy
03-15-2005, 12:39 AM
I think that if you want the stitches to be invisible in the end, that knitting it looser gives the yarn more time to get felted and fuzzy to hide the stitches, as it shrinks to a good size. I think you could do it with smaller guage and needles, it just would either be very dense felting in the end, or the stitches might show still. But there's no reason you can't try felting that piece. Try it and see! Remember it will still shrink; the longer your felt it/agitate it for, the more it shrinks, gets dense, and hides the stitches.

Amy

amourbliss
03-15-2005, 12:46 AM
Ok thanks!! I think I'm just gonna grab my 10s and do it that....ntohign wrong with trying it out and finding out what happens!! thanks again!!! :D