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perced
03-18-2005, 03:57 PM
I found this online. I would like to do this on a hat. Does anyone know russian or know how to knit this pattern?

ekgheiy
03-18-2005, 04:10 PM
I found this online. I would like to do this on a hat. Does anyone know russian or know how to knit this pattern?

I don't know Russian. Sorry ...

Go to BabelFish (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr) and imput the URL for an online translation. Hope that helps a bit ...

ekgheiy
03-18-2005, 04:13 PM
I found this online. I would like to do this on a hat. Does anyone know russian or know how to knit this pattern?


I'm thinking :thinking:
Could this (http://knitting.about.com/library/blmistakerib.htm) be the pattern??

:??

perced
03-18-2005, 05:13 PM
I found this online. I would like to do this on a hat. Does anyone know russian or know how to knit this pattern?

I don't know Russian. Sorry ...

Go to BabelFish (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr) and imput the URL for an online translation. Hope that helps a bit ...

the text is in a picture. I don't think a translater will work for that., but will try it out.

perced
03-18-2005, 05:15 PM
I found this online. I would like to do this on a hat. Does anyone know russian or know how to knit this pattern?


I'm thinking :thinking:
Could this (http://knitting.about.com/library/blmistakerib.htm) be the pattern??

:??

Unfortunatley it is not. She did scan the key, but I can't quite make it out. Here's a link to the page. I am going to experiment in the meantime.



http://www.columbia.edu/~kmp30/uzory.htm

tia

ekgheiy
03-18-2005, 05:27 PM
How about Broken Rib (http://members.cox.net/knittingabout/graphics/ruggles.jpg)? :??
Sorry I'm not much help :(

beldaraan
03-18-2005, 06:31 PM
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javede
03-18-2005, 08:25 PM
I think i got it. Wait a sec...

sorry, just tested it and it's not working at all! I don't even know the stitches they are using! I downloaded the chartkey and made it bigger, but that doesn't help much, since I haven't seen these before...
They somehow look like slipping stitches or yarn-overs to me.

beldaraan
03-18-2005, 09:03 PM
If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, she has some knitting terms translated already. You just need to have a translator to have the right symbols and "should" be able to match them up with what's in the scanned photos. I am going to try and put a translator on my comp later as I am interested in this as well. I think it would be cool to make a swatch out of it.

Hildegard_von_Knittin
03-18-2005, 10:33 PM
Beldie is great isn't she??????

salsa
03-20-2005, 08:13 AM
I know I should just keep quiet and not say anything, but copyright violations make me extremely uncomfortable. :(

This thread is actually the kind of thing that Amy was talking about in her sticky thread about posting pictures:

http://www.knittinghelp.com/knitting/forum/viewtopic.php?t=308

The first image that has been posted to this thread does not belong to any us. It is taken from a third party website (which in turn took it directly from a Russian book).

What it means is that Amy is now hosting a stolen image on knittinghelp.com, and Amy is therefore liable if the image owner notices that their picture has been stolen and takes exception. In this case the image owner is actually the Russian author of the book (not the website owner), and perhaps no-one will notice. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a copyright violation and it's unethical.

This image theft stuff is the kind of stuff that could get Amy into serious SERIOUS trouble (if not with this image, then with the next).

After all the stuff Amy went through with the "free patterns" saga, we as posters really should be more sensitive to this issue. She provides us with a wonderful discussion forum and helpful videos. In return, the least we can all do is to try not to get her into any trouble.

I'm sorry if I am coming across as a total b$#ch here, but I'd rather post this than see Amy get into any trouble. Even if you don't personally think it's a big deal to steal images from books or external websites and to involve Amy in this by posting those images here, there are a significant number of authors, webmasters and website owners out there on the net who DO think it's a big deal, and those people actually have copyright law on their side. If they decide to get heavy about it, they'll go after Amy because she owns this site.

I apologize to all the posters on this thread for sidetracking it and for being a cow about this issue. It's just a bit weird to see this image theft stuff still happening despite Amy's advice being pinned at the top of this forum:

http://www.knittinghelp.com/knitting/forum/viewtopic.php?t=308

If the OriginalPoster has the permission of the copyright owner to be posting the image to this forum, then I apologize in advance.

yellowness
03-20-2005, 03:13 PM
Propriety issues asside, I went to the orrigioal web-site via the link.

I can, in time, translate this, as studying Russian is a pet project of mine (German would have been *so* much easier to decipher!). It takes my mind off my music homework :)

The label at the top is nothing more exciting, as far as I can tell, than "Patern #4" or something to that nature. Not terribly helpful.

Using other, more time-efficient detective skills, it looks similar to a fisherman's rib. A test knit and comparison looked very close.

Fisherman's Rib:
Over an odd number of stitches;
R1 (right side): P1, *k1b, p1, rep from * to end
R2:Sl1, *p1, k1b, rep to last two stiches, p1, k1

where k1b is knit one below: insert right needle into the center of the stitch below and knit as usual.

Another Fisherman's Rib pattern:
Over an even number of stitches;
R1 (wrong side): P to end
R2: P1, *k1b, p1, rep from * to last st, p1.

yellowness
03-20-2005, 04:02 PM
Darn it, now I'm all thinking about Russian again :) I'd put it down for a while and now I'm all thinking about that fabulous, funny alphabet.

perced
03-20-2005, 08:25 PM
The label at the top is nothing more exciting, as far as I can tell, than "Patern #4" or something to that nature. Not terribly helpful.



That is about as far as I could get. I did get slip & yarn over from her translated page. Other than that I get nothing but gibberish using a translator. Either I am not getting the letters correct or knitting terms aren't available in the translator I am using.

I am going to take a break & work on another project. I usually like such a challenge but I am not really feeling well, so my stubborness isn't up to it's usual level.

ekgheiy
03-22-2005, 04:49 PM
I found this online. I would like to do this on a hat. Does anyone know russian or know how to knit this pattern?

Hey Perced ... I think I really found it this time....
:cheering:
Look here (http://www.knitting-and.com/homework/brioche.htm) ...

What do you think? :thinking: :??

perced
03-22-2005, 05:30 PM
Hey Perced ... I think I really found it this time....
:cheering:
Look here (http://www.knitting-and.com/homework/brioche.htm) ...

What do you think? :thinking: :??

Ooh, that could be it. I will have to try it with two colors. Hopefully I will get a chance tomorrow. :cheering:

beldaraan
03-22-2005, 09:11 PM
Excellent detective work Ek!

Mind if I give you another assignment (http://www.knittinghelp.com/knitting/forum/viewtopic.php?t=454&highlight=bump)?

ekgheiy
03-23-2005, 11:15 AM
Excellent detective work Ek!

Mind if I give you another assignment (http://www.knittinghelp.com/knitting/forum/viewtopic.php?t=454&highlight=bump)?

I'll keep my eyes open for ya! ;)

beldaraan
03-23-2005, 12:32 PM
:heart: Ekgheiy :heart:

Perced, have you started that swatch yet? I want to see!

perced
03-23-2005, 01:16 PM
:heart: Ekgheiy :heart:

Perced, have you started that swatch yet? I want to see!

No, I had dance class w/ hubby last night. My son is home sick for the third day, :( so I will watch some cartoons and try the swatch.

perced
03-23-2005, 11:31 PM
I could not get this to work with two colors. :wall:

Sara
03-23-2005, 11:51 PM
:thinking: Are you sure it's two colors and not the yarn itself or the lighting of the picture?

perced
03-24-2005, 12:59 AM
:thinking: Are you sure it's two colors and not the yarn itself or the lighting of the picture?

From the instructions I can tell it is a two color pattern. It uses A & B for the colors.

perced
03-24-2005, 10:09 AM
I am sooo embarassed. :oops: I found the pattern in one of my books. A book that I had been looking in the same day I found the pattern on the web. :oops: It is in Big book of knitting stitch patterns. A search with the name of the stitch also came up with it being in the lastest interweave magazine. I don't know when I will get a change to knit a sample as I have lots to do and am coming down with my sons awful cold. The patterns aren't copyrighted, but the pics are. Here is it.

Two-Color brioche rib

Work with an uneven number of stitches on dpns or circular needles

Row 1: With color A, K2, * P1, K1 repeat from * to * *, ending P1, K2.
Turn Work.

Row 2: With color A K1, * work double P st as follows: insert needle from back into stitch just below next st, P1, drop unworked st above from left needle, K1 *; repeat form * to * Turn work.

Row 3: With color B, K2 * double p st, K1 *, repeat from * to * ending double P st, K2. Do not turn work.

Row 4: Start at begining of last row with color A, K1, * work double K st as follows: insert needle from front into stitch just below next stitch ans K 1, drop unworked st, P1 *; repeat from * to *, ending double K st, K1. Turn work.

Row 5: with color B, K1, P1, * double K st, P1 *, repeat from * to *, ending K last st. Do not turn work. Begin next row at start of one just worked. Repeat Rows 2 through 5 for pattern.