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knitqueen
01-14-2006, 12:49 AM
I need to be a bit general, for obvious reasons. I submitted a couple of pattern designs to a certain company in August 2005. They give a time frame within which you are supposed to hear back, whether they accept or do not accept your designs. That deadline came and went, I e-mailed again requesting that the contact me...perhaps they didn't get my original submission, perhaps they were very busy and overloaded with submissions....whatever, I just wanted some communication. That was in late 2005.

Now, here we are, middle of January 2006, MONTHS later, and I still haven't heard from them. I sent a pretty firm 'I NEED to hear from you and don't be expecting any further submissions from me....blah blah blah' type e-mail yesterday and I am half expecting to not hear from them at all. It is very much leaving me in limbo, being unable to submit elsewhere until I hear from them, I can't even say 'forget it' and just hand out my patterns to all of you for free until I hear from them.

What would you do in this type of situation???? I just want to be done with it.

Ingrid
01-14-2006, 01:06 AM
What do you think would happen if you stated in an email and follow up with a written letter that if you haven't heard from them by X/XX/06 you will be submitting your designs elsewhere? I don't know the details, obviously, but it doesn't seem right that they can keep you tied up much beyond their original estimate.

BonnieM
01-14-2006, 08:54 AM
I would send a written letter with return receipt requested, or something that shows you they've received the letter, outlining the steps you've taken since day one up until the written letter. Give them an end date, as Ingrid says. I don't know the legalities of all of this, but I can't help but think a paper trail would work to your advantage. Also, have you been emailing a certain person or do you just submit to *the design department*? It may be helpful to get a name. Good luck to you. This must be terribly frustrating.

knitqueen
01-30-2006, 05:59 PM
The emails have been to a design department, not to an individual.

I mailed a handwritten letter (ya know, the old fashioned way! ;) ) on Friday stating exactly the steps that I have taken in TRYING to communicate with them, still hoping that they will reciprocate. I honestly don't want my patterns published by them at all anymore, but I want some communication so I can say thanks but no thanks.

I will keep you posted. If I still don't hear from them....I don't know. A phone call maybe?????? I just wish I could share my patterns here with all of you to enjoy.

Ingrid
01-30-2006, 06:03 PM
And we'd looooove to see them! I hope you get some resolution on this.

punkhippiemom
01-31-2006, 01:22 AM
I'm *kind of* in the same situation - I submitted patterns to a website to be used in an online magazine... the time it was supposed to be up and running has come and gone, I have recieved no responses from various attempt to contact the woman, her website is down and all her emails are bouncing back.... :wall:
It sounds like your situation is different in that a) it was a larg(er) company, and b) (I'm assuming, here) you were supposed to be given some kind of compensation for your design...
Ingrid had a point, if you got your patterns into them before their deadline, and they STILL haven't responded to you, you have no obligation to hold those patterns for them. Re read their stated policy (if there is one) on submissions, ie IF we accept your pattern we will contact you, etc... State a date that you expect to hear from them by, and if they don't contact you... well, that's not polite so I won't say it :mrgreen:
As long as you haven't signed anything giving them exclusive rights to your pattern, it's your pattern. Period.

Jan in CA
01-31-2006, 01:47 AM
I suggest you document any communication with them so if anything ever does come in reference to your patterns you have some recourse. That way they can't come back with "we never heard from you.". :rollseyes:

knitqueen
01-31-2006, 02:15 AM
Ya know, I'm just irritated about this whole thing. At first I was really disappointed, I mean, I love my designs that I came up with....why wouldn't they?? ;) I was so excited and nervous and eager and everything else, then the time came and went and the time is STIIIIIILLLLLL passing, without a single word of contact from them. The only contact they give for submissions is via e-mail. I checked and double checked that I had the address right. I copied and pasted the address directly off of their website so as not to make a typo. Other people have obviously gotten through and had their patterns accepted....there must be nothing wrong with their email account.

This isn't a sob story of why all those other people's patterns and not mine, but REALLY, I'd expect some kind of communication. If you like my patterns, GREAT, if not that's fine too but I NEED TO KNOW. If they come to me at this point with an offer, I am going to say no. I have decided that already. If the communication up to now has been this poor, why should I trust that it will be any better in the future.

BTW, to whoever mentioned it (I think PHM??)...I have not signed anything. I have just submitted my ideas. That's all at this point.

kemp
01-31-2006, 01:29 PM
So annoying! I think you've covered yourself well so far. Hope you hear from them soon.

knitqueen
02-11-2006, 12:50 AM
Two weeks since letter was sent.......nothing........ :wall:

punkhippiemom
02-11-2006, 10:35 AM
It's been way long enough. Forget them. :rollseyes: And make sure you send a scathing letter to someone in general management informing them of why you will not be submitting any more patterns to their company, and make sure you mention the fact that you have also informed all of the THOUSANDS of people on this website of how shabbily you were treated... Nothing brings change in a company faster than bad publicity, but only if they know they're getting it.... ;)

Ingrid
02-11-2006, 10:37 AM
:evil: Yeah! What she said!! You've done your part--over and above, I'd say--so, forget about them.

Cristy
02-11-2006, 10:44 AM
I tend to agree...I didn't see this thread when it started so I just read through it and brought myself up to date...

I'm sorry they didn't respond--there is a lack of concern in the business world today...it's very frustrating to wait for a response that doesn't come. They'd be frustrated if the roles were reversed.

I agree with everyone else...you've covered yourself and you've waited long enough. Try submitting them elsewhere if you feel confident about them--I'm sure they're great!

knitqueen
03-01-2006, 06:57 PM
Stay tuned.....my patterns are coming to 'Pattern Central' forum soon...

It was KnitPicks

CateKnits
03-01-2006, 07:03 PM
KnitPicks! :shock: I almost wish I didn't know. :verysad:

Jan in CA
03-01-2006, 07:28 PM
It was KnitPicks

That's kind of shocking! :shock: Although I'm not sure why..maybe because we all love that place. :??

knitqueen
03-01-2006, 10:21 PM
Ya know, I almost feel bad saying who it was, but I have felt soooooo mistreated, I wanted to put it out there. Maybe I should have kept it to myself, I dunno :|

Ingrid
03-01-2006, 10:36 PM
Maybe we should inundate them with emails protesting their treatment of one of our own! :devil:

CateKnits
03-01-2006, 10:37 PM
You start, Ingy. I'll be right behind you. :oo:

punkhippiemom
03-01-2006, 10:39 PM
:verysad: That's so sad... and I was going to submit the patterns I was already supposed to have published to them... maybe I'll just try Knitty instead...

BinkyKat
03-01-2006, 10:55 PM
I wonder if Rebecca knows another door to try with them :thinking:
She seemed to have had a great experience getting her pattern done.
Maybe it was all a terrible misuderstanding... but to repeatedly not contact you when you kept asking for input? Bummer.

Hope it doesn't color your view of ordering from them. I haven't tried myself, it's one of my to-do's.

knitqueen
03-01-2006, 11:50 PM
I don't think that non-response from 3 or 4 emails and one handwritten letter could be 'just' an oversight, unfortunately.

Ahhhh well, I don't want to sit here trash talking knitpicks, I know so many of you love them. Their shipping to Canada prevents me from ordering from them anyways, this just puts the icing on the cake, so to speak.

Onwards and upwards.... ;)

But feel free to send protesting emails to them on my behalf, might get me some free stuff!! JUST KIDDING OF COURSE....although......

Ingrid
03-02-2006, 10:52 PM
I sent my email!

Sara
03-02-2006, 11:08 PM
When they solicit for submissions, they are asking you to enter into a business transaction. The least they can do is respond to your very reasonable request for information. We all will still order from Knitpicks, no one has beat their prices, but it's good to know that this has happened in case someone else runs into trouble. Don't feel funny about posting this kinda stuff. Besides, we like to defend our friends!

knitqueen
03-30-2006, 10:24 PM
I'm posting my patterns tonight in 'Pattern Central'....stay tuned (gotta get the kids in bed first....aaaahhhh priorities!) ;)

IrishBaby
03-30-2006, 10:56 PM
Ugh, I'm so sorry about that. ((((hugs)))) They should treat you better.

I have to say, this doesn't surprise me, though, knowing what I know about them -- they ripped off the pattern of a friend of mine and tried to pass it off as an original design after she refused to consent to give them exclusive rights.

And I won't get into the yarn. I know y'all love it. But that's only because you haven't tried the good stuff yet. ;)

Ingrid
03-30-2006, 11:36 PM
After seeing your beautiful socks in the pattern section, I have to say I'm astonished that they didn't grab them up. Shame on them, once again!

catownedanna
03-31-2006, 02:05 AM
I'm sorry to hear about your hassles... :(

If I want to see your designs, where can I find them? I'm not too good at finding things at Pattern Central...

catownedanna
03-31-2006, 02:15 AM
I'm sorry to hear about your hassles... :(

If I want to see your designs, where can I find them? I'm not too good at finding things at Pattern Central...

knitqueen
03-31-2006, 02:20 AM
They're not a www.knittingpatterncentral.com , if that's what you're thinking. Just go over to the pattern central forum on this website and you'll find them there. Oh wait, I'll go find them for you....

http://www.knittinghelp.com/knitting/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11391
http://www.knittinghelp.com/knitting/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11389

Enjoy! :XX:

catownedanna
03-31-2006, 04:48 AM
:doh: I wasn't even thinking about the pattern section in this forum... I just assumed you meant knittingpatterncentral...

*heading over to the pattern forum*

Thanks for guiding me in the right direction! :D

IrishBaby
03-31-2006, 06:34 AM
Thanks for the patterns -- they're gorgeous!

Yvonne
03-31-2006, 08:19 AM
Like everyone else, I cannot believe you didn't hear back on those patterns. Those socks are fantastic!
Not that it will make you feel any better, but I tried submitting designs to them also and got nowhere.....
I'll still buy their yarn though :blush: