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feministmama
03-21-2006, 03:45 PM
Has anyone heard about a woman in Washington state that is pregnant with quints and is asking for folks to knit things for her brood? There is supposed to be some website about it and I have googled and yahooed all over but can't find anything about it. Anyone?

Jan in CA
03-21-2006, 03:59 PM
Not sure if this is the same family, but here's a link. Doesn't say anything about knitting though that I can see, but it might be in there somewhere.
http://5ontheway.com/

jhelanee
03-21-2006, 05:38 PM
That is the correct website, since I doubt there is more than one set of quintuplets due any day now in Washington. ;) I haven't heard anything about knitted items in particular, but they are taking donations. Check the "How you can help" section of the website if you are interested.

Since the hospital the quints will be born at (Swedish Medical Center) is one of my local hospitals, I have actually been thinking of contacting them about donating preemie stuff for their NICU. If I set something up would others be interested in making things as well? We have just had several charity KALs, so I don't want to ask if people are worn out, but would be happy to do some investigating if there is still interest.

CarmenIbanez
03-21-2006, 06:31 PM
Wow. My husband and I are trying to buy a house so our 13 year old can have a better life. If I put up a website do you think people will give me a bunch of stuff for free? Maybe they could contribute to a mortgage for JC fund?

Hildegard_von_Knittin
03-21-2006, 08:04 PM
If I set something up would others be interested in making things as well? We have just had several charity KALs, so I don't want to ask if people are worn out, but would be happy to do some investigating if there is still interest.

I think you could set one up... people who like to help others in need will join. And premie stuff is quick to knit, and GREAT for people who want to try something new. And, anyway, even if you don't get a whole bunch of people, I think the parents-to-be will appreciate anything they can get.

feministmama
03-21-2006, 11:56 PM
OK so i looked at the website and I guess this must be them. The thing is they are part of a church that seems to have it together to get all these donations. Churchs have that kind of power. I need a church like that. :rollseyes: There is a whole bit on the website about her having all 5 babies cuz she didn't want to reduce the number of kids she was having which guess that is an option when having that many multiples. They encourage it so that more of them will live. The more babies you have the moe risk the have to not making it or having complications. But she says she didn't want to do that becasue of her religion. SO does that mean they are against abortion (and against other things like homosexualiy)? I don't know if I can support that.

Ingrid
03-21-2006, 11:58 PM
I don't think that refusing to reduce a pregnancy automatically means narrow-mindedness on all things. I IS a choice, after all. ;)

aylaanne
03-22-2006, 12:17 PM
But she says she didn't want to do that becasue of her religion. SO does that mean they are against abortion (and against other things like homosexualiy)? I don't know if I can support that.

No, it just means that she believes her doctors are actually gods (not wanting to reject the gift "god" gave her, after all, since she couldn't conceive with the gifts God gave her).

How about we start a drive to find homes for all the children who are born unwanted in the world? Many of them are without homes, blankets, clothing, food, and most of them are without love. I don't understand how we can stomach something so selfish as artificial pregnancy when there are living, breathing children in this world without parents.

Count me definitively OUT on this one.

margie
03-22-2006, 12:26 PM
Please, try not to judge others who are in a situation that you may have not been in yourself. Infertility is way, way too sensitive a subject for many people, and many people who experience it deal with the hand they've been dealt in different ways. This forum is a wonderful, non-judgemental place for so many people- let's not start something that will only end in hurt feelings and disagreements.

horve1
03-22-2006, 01:24 PM
I can't believe how wonderful and caring some people are, and how very much the opposite others can be. My DH and I struggled (and believe me it was a struggle!!!) through 8 years of infertility treatment before we were able to have my very DS. We needed a bit of help because DH had had cancer and the chemotherapy made him sterile. Then we struggled (and believe me it was a struggle!!!) through 4 years of hell before we were able to adopt my very DD.
I am so disappointed in some of the responses to this topic. Thank goodness for the others.

feministmama
03-22-2006, 01:31 PM
I'm sorry if my response came out offensive. I'm so sorry for those of you who struggle to concieve when youw ant a child so badly. I think if I just look at a penis I'd get pregnant :rollseyes: So I hope what I said didn't come across as against fertility. My only fear is that but not reducing when there is 5, the ONLY reason they did it was becasue they have an anti-abortion stance. I don't think being anti-abortion is OK therefore I wouldn't want to contribute to that. Does that makes sense? I believe ina woman's right to choose even if they choose to have 5 babies but not if that choice is at the expense of other people's choices. I don't want to come off as against anything. I just don't want to support folks who do. Please continue discussing this. Discussion is a good healthy thing and I hate it if anyone felt silenced here.

CarmenIbanez
03-22-2006, 01:31 PM
I don't think anyone has made any negative comments about infertility. I think that the only comments made have to do with the fact that a family made a choice to have five babies at once and now they are asking the community to financially support that decision. I think that is a far different scenario than the one that those of us that struggled with infertility were in. I do not see a connection between the issue of infertility and expecting the community to financially support your family planning decisions.

Anyway, that is my only comment here. I don't think anyone was being negative about infertility. I think it is wonderful to have a place here where we can discuss these issue without anger and ask the hard questions of each other and know that we will get a thoughtful heartfelt response. Being critical of an issue, is not the same as being critical of a person.

feministmama
03-22-2006, 01:57 PM
I do not see a connection between the issue of infertility and expecting the community to financially support your family planning decisions..

I just wish our culture had more of a sense of caring and nurturing and esponsability toward each other, especially when it comes to babies. If that were ture we wouldn't even have to have discussions about fertility. In other words, if we as a culture value children and the responsability of raising them becasue we know children are our future, the all children would be wanted and those of us who didn't want children would be doing whatever we need inthe world so the rest of us who do want to raise children could do so in peace. And if you think I'm makin it up about not valueing children take a look at how many children there are without health care, whose schools are bing closed, how many children have no food. I mean if we really c ared about children, NO child would be hungry or sick or without a good book. We would have 24 hour childcare to all who needed it. Our priorities right now in this country from our leaders who control the money and power are about killing children. And not by abortion. By bombing them and thier families. If we believed in children, there would be no such thing as war.

OK I'm getting a little too ranty so I'll stop now.

TwoLeftNeedles
03-22-2006, 02:02 PM
It comes down to whether or not you value diversity. If you do, then you are tolerant of people who have views unlike your own. If you don't, then you are intolerant of people who think differently than you do.

CarmenIbanez
03-22-2006, 02:03 PM
I completely agree.

I think a good way to show tolerance is to have meaningful discussions where you allow yourself to see things from all points of view. Of course, it is a long leap from tolerance to financial support.

Julie
03-22-2006, 03:53 PM
I do not see a connection between the issue of infertility and expecting the community to financially support your family planning decisions.

Honestly, I doubt that was the case at all. It looks like they are part of a community that realized they'd have a need and stepped forward to fill it. The exact same thing happened where I work a few years ago -- a family had quadruplets, and they themselves didn't ask for help, or expect it, or act entitled to it -- people just came forward in droves asking what they could do to help the family, and so we put together a committee to organize the effort. Granted we didn't have a website, lol, but more power to a community that is that organized and wants to be welcoming and helpful to people who want to give. Just my .02...

CarmenIbanez
03-22-2006, 05:04 PM
I don't know. I think this is just one of those things that either irks you the wrong way, or not. I don't think it says anything one way or the other about what kind of person you are, I think it just one of those "agree to disagree" things. The whole thing just feels very over the top for me. I wonder how many other families that need houses are being provided with them by this church? I see it as a family who knew they were going to likely end up with a multiple pregnancy (as that is a very common thing with fertility treatments). Knowing this, I am surprised they don't already have a home that is appropriate for their growing family. Does that make sense? I guess I would understand if it was a big surprise that they were having more than one baby, but it is almost a given with certain fertility treatments.

I think I am repeating myself now. I'm pretty sure I have early onset Alzheimers. Can I get a house for that?