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Arielluria
02-03-2007, 07:40 PM
I was told that I can substitute a yarn in a pattern and feel safe it will turn out well if it's the same weight. I assume that's ounces????????

OK. so I'm looking to make the fisherman's sweater (Here's my original post: http://www.knittinghelp.com/knitting/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25873 with pics). Lionbrand's site says fisherman's is 8 oz. But I'm thinking of doing it with Kool Wool which is supposed to be chuncky, then how come on Smiley's Yarn's page it says it's "1 3/4 ounces (50 Grams)" (see sales page (http://www.pagelinx.com/cgi-shopper/loadpage.cgi/smileysyarns/ezshopper?user_id=id&file=iriot.htm)). Does that mean they are smaller skeins?

HOW does one know (for online shopping - if you aren't familiar with the yarn) whether the yarn is the same thickness?

brendajos
02-03-2007, 08:12 PM
no if you are substituting look for gauge. you need to make sure the gauge is similar. when they are talking about weight they are talking about sport, fingering, worsted, dk, etc. after you figure you have matching gauges then you need to look at yardage. :thumbsup:

aineepooh1
02-03-2007, 08:38 PM
Yes .. it will be a smaller skein. The average ~ skein ~ is about three ozs this is probably 1/4 of that. So buy plenty of yarn...but for $1 skein..~~
That shoudln't bee too hard~!! :cheering: :roflhard:

Arielluria
02-03-2007, 10:45 PM
If you knew how bad my math was, you'd know it's easier said than done! :teehee:

Calamintha
02-03-2007, 10:54 PM
You can't compare yarns by weight alone. To be similar they have to be the same (or close) yardage by weight. So it can get complicated you have to figure out the equivalent yardage per weight.

Arielluria
02-03-2007, 11:10 PM
:roll: :shock: :shock: :shock:

zkimom
02-03-2007, 11:55 PM
When peple refer to the weight of a yarn, they are usually saying whether the yarn is DK, Worsted, bulky or chunky and that refers to the yarn gauge not the weight in ounces.

If you want to substitute one yarn for another in a pattern the 2 most important things are gauge (how many stitiches to an inch will you get with the yarn) and yardage (is there enough yards in each skein for you to finish the sweater.) This information is on the label of the yarn you want to use.

The instructions for the sweater will list the recommended yarn and it's gauge and yardage. You just have to make sure that the yarn you want to substitute matches the gauge and that you buy enough of it to get the yardage you need to finish the sweater.

The oz weight of the yarn is not really important.

Does that make sense?

Best,
Susan

psammeadred
02-04-2007, 12:58 AM
A yard of cotton, a yard of wool, and a yard of silk will weigh different amounts, even if they knit up exactly the same. You'll have to look at the gauge of the yarn (how many stitches per inch). Here's what you do, assuming you have two yarns that knit at the same gauge (yarn X is the yarn the pattern calls for, and yarn Y is the yarn you want to substitute):

1. Find how many skeins/hanks/balls/whatever X the pattern calls for in the size you want.

2. Multiply this number by the number of yards per skein X.

3. Divide this number by the number of yards per skein Y.

4. Round up to the nearest whole number to see how many skeins/hanks/balls/whatever of Y you'll need to buy (because you can't buy a partial ball of yarn, although it would be helpful sometimes).

For example, if you were to make this (http://cache.lionbrand.com/patterns/60061.html) cardigan in the yarn shown, size Small, it would take 6 balls of WoolEase. Let's say you wanted to make it in Lion Wool instead, which gets the same gauge according to the manufacturer. Here's what you would do:

1. This cardigan calls for 6 balls of WoolEase.
2. Each ball of WoolEase contains 197 yards of yarn (in the solid colors). So, 6 x 197 is 1182 yards. This is the total amount of yarn you'll need.
3. Each ball of Lion Wool contains 158 yards. So, 1182 / 158= 7.48
4. Rounding this number up gives you 8 balls of Lion Wool.

I hope this helps!

aineepooh1
02-04-2007, 03:07 AM
Psammameadred~~!!
WOW.. a Knitting Algebraic Equation~!! :happydance:
:passedout:

:woot: That is worth remembering~!

Arielluria
02-04-2007, 07:40 PM
I second that, thanks for all that hard work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For those of us who get headaches doing simple math :wall:..........sounds like a good rule of thumb is buy 2 more skeins eh? :teehee:

Also, thanks Susan, yes, that made much sense! Basically forget the ounces, and do your gauge?!? ;)

Lu

earthchick
02-12-2007, 04:50 PM
Okay, so here's a question. I'm looking at an old pattern book (One Piece Knits that Fit) - and it's great but every single pattern lists the yarn requirements in terms of ounces (actually, Elizabeth Zimmerman's books do this as well).

Most of the yarn I look at doesn't even list ounces on its label, so I'm at a loss for figuring out how much I need. Thoughts?

suzeeq
02-13-2007, 01:19 AM
Does it call for older yarns? Here' a link (http://www.vintageknits.com/yarncharts.html) to vintage yarns that can help you figure it out. Tells you the approximate yardage.

sue

earthchick
02-13-2007, 08:21 AM
No, it doesn't call for older yarns. The patterns simply say "12 oz. worsted" or "18 oz. sportweight", etc.

Stonington
02-13-2007, 09:33 AM
I was told that I can substitute a yarn in a pattern and feel safe it will turn out well if it's the same weight. I assume that's ounces????????

OK. so I'm looking to make the fisherman's sweater (Here's my original post: http://www.knittinghelp.com/knitting/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25873 with pics). Lionbrand's site says fisherman's is 8 oz. But I'm thinking of doing it with Kool Wool which is supposed to be chuncky, then how come on Smiley's Yarn's page it says it's "1 3/4 ounces (50 Grams)" (see sales page (http://www.pagelinx.com/cgi-shopper/loadpage.cgi/smileysyarns/ezshopper?user_id=id&file=iriot.htm)). Does that mean they are smaller skeins?

HOW does one know (for online shopping - if you aren't familiar with the yarn) whether the yarn is the same thickness?

:oops: I read the topic and thought "Wizard of Oz" It's early! need more coffee, need more coffee...
anne

suzeeq
02-13-2007, 11:31 AM
No, it doesn't call for older yarns. The patterns simply say "12 oz. worsted" or "18 oz. sportweight", etc.

Hmmmm, most yarn descriptions will say 50 grams or 100 grams, that translates into 1.75 oz and 3.5 oz, so you could take it from there then.

sue

snowbear
02-13-2007, 12:11 PM
:oops: I read the topic and thought "Wizard of Oz" It's early! need more coffee, need more coffee...
anne[/quote]


Don't feel bad.. so did I, lol

earthchick
02-13-2007, 06:57 PM
Thanks, Sue!

Arielluria
02-24-2007, 09:27 PM
I'm still not clear on this and need help. I want to start my first socks for my mom who's legs swell at times. OK, so I'm doing the Silver's Sock Class (http://www.cometosilver.com/socks/SockClass_Start.htm). It gives fingering weight ans worsted weight, etc. directions..........OK............I was going to use Paton's Classic Wool Merino, and the package doesn't say anything about its weight. Can anyone tell me how to tell?

Lisa Kay
02-25-2007, 02:51 AM
I'm still not clear on this and need help. I want to start my first socks for my mom who's legs swell at times. OK, so I'm doing the Silver's Sock Class (http://www.cometosilver.com/socks/SockClass_Start.htm). It gives fingering weight ans worsted weight, etc. directions..........OK............I was going to use Paton's Classic Wool Merino, and the package doesn't say anything about its weight. Can anyone tell me how to tell?

I love yarndex.com (http://www.yarndex.com/)! It's a great resource (a "yarn directory").

Patons Classic Wool (http://www.yarndex.com/yarn.cfm?yarn_id=1731) is worsted weight according to their info.

Also, look here (http://www.dailyknitter.com/basics.html) for a great chart with information about yarn weights (scroll down).

Arielluria
02-26-2007, 10:10 PM
:oops: I read the topic and thought "Wizard of Oz" It's early! need more coffee, need more coffee...
anne


Don't feel bad.. so did I, lol[/quote]
:roflhard: I understand lack of caffeine logic. :D

Arielluria
02-27-2007, 08:40 PM
Thanks for those links Lisa. BTW, can someone explain to me the difference between the different yarns? It's so confusing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And if I'm at the store to buy the yarn and it doesn't say what type it is (as the Patons doesn't), then I wouldn't know whether it was right for my project or not!!!!!!! :shrug:

suzeeq
02-27-2007, 11:05 PM
The 3rd link, for dailyknitter, explains most of what's found on a label. You could print out the part pertaining to which weight = which gauge and take it with you. Most labels will have the gauge somewhere on the label and that's what determines if a yarn is DK or worsted or whatever.

sue

momwolf
02-28-2007, 12:57 AM
Try this http://www.thedietdiary.com/blog/lucia/606 this site has a place to put in numbers and it figures it out for you
and this http://www.angelyarns.com/yarn/charts.php
Here are some conversions
Grams X 0.035 = Ounces
Ounces X 28.57 = Grams
Meters X 1.0936 = yards
Yards X 0.9144 = Meters

coffeegirl
03-30-2007, 09:08 AM
This thread has been really helpful and has given me something to come back to and read up on some more following the links. It's hard to find the exact yarn as called for in patterns and/or you just want to use something else, and being a newbie I am getting a headache at the math and trying to get my head around gauge, needle sizes, etc etc In Australia we dont seem to have the yarn weight categories either which makes it more difficult, I can't see those anywhere on the labels here.

Can I just add a question...
What if I find a substitute which has same gauge as the pattern but the pattern calls for one size needle and the yarn calls for another. So e.g. the pattern says to use 6mm needles and the yarn substitute says to use 8mm. BUT the tension is exactly the same on both?

SandraEllen
03-30-2007, 09:57 AM
Can I just add a question...
What if I find a substitute which has same gauge as the pattern but the pattern calls for one size needle and the yarn calls for another. So e.g. the pattern says to use 6mm needles and the yarn substitute says to use 8mm. BUT the tension is exactly the same on both?

the difference in needle size is probably just a tension thing. the person who wrote the pattern wrote down what neele size she used. because people knit at different tensions, you can't rely on needle size.

before you knit a pattern (especially important for things you are going to wear), you have to sit down and knit a swatch and make sure that your gage matches what the pattern lists.
check out this article (http://www.knitty.com/ISSUEspring03/FEATswatchout.html).

coffeegirl
03-30-2007, 07:01 PM
OK thank you. So it doesn't matter what size needle you use, as long as your tension matches the pattern. I have been reading on tension and gauge and trying to get my head around it. I'm getting there. :teehee: