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Stonington
06-26-2007, 10:12 AM
Good Morning!

Has anyone made this:

http://www.wendyjohnson.net/knit/shetland.htm (http://www.wendyjohnson.net/knit/shetland.htm)

I did a search for
Pattern Source: Wool Gathering #15 (also available in the Knitters Best of book) and was unsuccessful.

I would love :heart: to make this or something similar--any suggestions?

Thanks so much!
anne

Calamintha
06-26-2007, 10:42 AM
I have the Shawls and Scarves: Best of Knitters Magazine and the pattern is in there. Did you mean you can't find a copy of the book? I ordered mine from Amazon. You might be able to get it through the library. It's a fairly popular book.

The Stonington Shawl is a typical Shetland Shawl. There are some other Shetland Shawl patterns from Fiddlesticks such as the Tina Shawl and the Garden Shawl but most of the ones I have seen are more elaborate than the Stonington Shawl. The Knitters book has a few Shetland Shawls in it. I made one of the other ones from the book.

Ingrid
06-26-2007, 10:44 AM
The Woolgathering booklets are from www.schoolhousepress.com . They probably have back copies available.

Stonington
06-26-2007, 11:50 AM
Good Morning!

Has anyone made this:

http://www.wendyjohnson.net/knit/shetland.htm (http://www.wendyjohnson.net/knit/shetland.htm)

I did a search for
Pattern Source: Wool Gathering #15 (also available in the Knitters Best of book) and was unsuccessful.

I would love :heart: to make this or something similar--any suggestions?

Thanks so much!
anne

I have the Shawls and Scarves: Best of Knitters Magazine and the pattern is in there. Did you mean you can't find a copy of the book? I ordered mine from Amazon. You might be able to get it through the library. It's a fairly popular book.

The Stonington Shawl is a typical Shetland Shawl. There are some other Shetland Shawl patterns from Fiddlesticks such as the Tina Shawl and the Garden Shawl but most of the ones I have seen are more elaborate than the Stonington Shawl. The Knitters book has a few Shetland Shawls in it. I made one of the other ones from the book.

Found it! Amazon- Thank you both so much! :hug:Our library does not have a very large knitting selection. I would try ILL but really would like it for vacation next week.
Thanks again!:cheering:

anne

Calamintha
06-26-2007, 03:53 PM
Oh, good! I don't think you'll regret it. It's a wonderful book with lots of interesting patterns. There are also quite a few articles in the book that contain good tips on lace knitting too.

Braden
06-26-2007, 04:12 PM
I've been thinking about knitting it. It's in Elizabeth Zimmermann's The Knitting Workshop, also.

VictoiseC
06-26-2007, 05:21 PM
That is just so beautiful and restful. I love it. Would be a nice thing to live with for years!

Stonington
06-27-2007, 08:31 AM
I've been thinking about knitting it. It's in Elizabeth Zimmermann's The Knitting Workshop, also.

Conti,

I still consider myself well, maybe an advanced beginner lol. Does the edging on the pattern look difficult? I am hoping to stop by Borders after work to see if they have Elizabeth Simmermann's book. update- Borders does not have it! :'( They do have "Shawls and Scarves: The Best of Knitter's Magazine" The pattern should be the same though, shouldn't it?

I was going to order from Amazon but need :roflhard: it before we go on vacation.

Thanks!

hmmmm will this be considered a lace project? :flirt:

anne

Calamintha
06-27-2007, 11:26 AM
I've been knitting lace for about ten years and the Stonington Shawl is not particularly difficult imo. Much of it is plain garter stitch. As far as the lace edging goes, they are not difficult at all but are somewhat similar to heels of socks in the sense that while they are not difficult it can sometimes be confusing for beginners to know how to follow the directions correctly. But I think that the directions are fairly clear in the pattern.

Lace edgings are knitted sideways perpendicular to the main part of the shawl. When you are knitting away from the shawl you are knitting the right side of the edging. When you are knitting back toward the shawl you are knitting the wrong side and will attach the edging on the wrong side of the shawl by knitting one of the edging stitches together with a live stitch from the shawl. If you get stuck at that point post again.

Lace edgings can take a surprisingly long time to complete though. I know someone who made the Stonington Shawl and it took a few years to complete. Of course, she didn't work on it non-stop!

Stonington
06-27-2007, 01:37 PM
Conti,

I still consider myself well, maybe an advanced beginner lol. Does the edging on the pattern look difficult? I am hoping to stop by Borders after work to see if they have Elizabeth Simmermann's book. update- Borders does not have it! :'( They do have "Shawls and Scarves: The Best of Knitter's Magazine" The pattern should be the same though, shouldn't it?

I was going to order from Amazon but need :roflhard: it before we go on vacation.

Thanks!

hmmmm will this be considered a lace project? :flirt:

anne

I purchased Shawls and Scarves and it is not the same shawl. There are some variations in the book, but I really wanted the edging on the one pictured. so back to the drawing board for me. :pout:
anne

Calamintha
06-27-2007, 02:17 PM
I hate to tell you this but lace knitters often choose to put a different lace edging pattern on a shawl than what the pattern calls for. Although it's possible that the Stonington Shawl in the Wool Gathering leaflet might have a different edging I think it's unlikely. It is far more probable that Wendy chose a different lace edging pattern for her shawl.

Since that shawl predates her blog, if you are set on that particular edging pattern what I would recommend is that you email Wendy and ask her what edging pattern she used and where you can find the pattern.

You might also want to ask her if that particular edging pattern required any adjustment to the rest of the pattern. There is a mathematical relationship between the number of row repeats in a lace edging pattern and the number of live stitches around the shawl. Because the edging attaches every other row the number of live stitches has to be a multiple of the half the number of row repeats in the lace edging pattern in order to come out correctly.

Stonington
06-27-2007, 02:25 PM
I hate to tell you this but lace knitters often choose to put a different lace edging pattern on a shawl than what the pattern calls for. Although it's possible that the Stonington Shawl in the Wool Gathering leaflet might have a different edging I think it's unlikely. It is far more probable that Wendy chose a different lace edging pattern for her shawl.

Since that shawl predates her blog, if you are set on that particular edging pattern what I would recommend is that you email Wendy and ask her what edging pattern she used and where you can find the pattern.

You might also want to ask her if that particular edging pattern required any adjustment to the rest of the pattern. There is a mathematical relationship between the number of row repeats in a lace edging pattern and the number of live stitches around the shawl. Because the edging attaches every other row the number of live stitches has to be a multiple of the half the number of row repeats in the lace edging pattern in order to come out correctly.

I had not thought of that! But I am sure you are right.. makes the shawl "their own" so to speak. I will take your advice and e-mail her! Thank you. :hug: anne

Jeremy
06-27-2007, 02:32 PM
Another lace knitter wanna be here. What weight is Shetland wool? Can you substitute worsted wt? Thanks.

qiviut
06-27-2007, 03:23 PM
You can order the pattern from E. Zimmermann's daughter at Schoolhouse Press.
http://schoolhousepress.com/
I second someone else's suggestion to contact Wendy for the border pattern she used. Every place I've seen the pattern a different one is given. Maybe even Meg at Schoolhouse Press would recognize the border and be able to help you. I've knit this and found it incredibly boring because of all the plain knitting, but the end result was OK.

Stonington
06-27-2007, 03:27 PM
I hate to tell you this but lace knitters often choose to put a different lace edging pattern on a shawl than what the pattern calls for. Although it's possible that the Stonington Shawl in the Wool Gathering leaflet might have a different edging I think it's unlikely. It is far more probable that Wendy chose a different lace edging pattern for her shawl.

Since that shawl predates her blog, if you are set on that particular edging pattern what I would recommend is that you email Wendy and ask her what edging pattern she used and where you can find the pattern.

You might also want to ask her if that particular edging pattern required any adjustment to the rest of the pattern. There is a mathematical relationship between the number of row repeats in a lace edging pattern and the number of live stitches around the shawl. Because the edging attaches every other row the number of live stitches has to be a multiple of the half the number of row repeats in the lace edging pattern in order to come out correctly.

You can order the pattern from E. Zimmermann's daughter at Schoolhouse Press.
http://schoolhousepress.com/
I second someone else's suggestion to contact Wendy for the border pattern she used. Every place I've seen the pattern a different one is given. Maybe even Meg at Schoolhouse Press would recognize the border and be able to help you. I've knit this and found it incredibly boring because of all the plain knitting, but the end result was OK.

I contacted Wendy and she wrote right back.. within minutes :passedout: she does not remember! Was too long ago, but she also said I should contact http://schoolhousepress.com/ to see if they still have the pattern available.

Thank you all for trying to help me out, this is the best site with the best folks! :hug:

anne

Braden
06-27-2007, 03:44 PM
Well, the project counts as lace! :teehee: And, the edging doesn't look difficult at all!

Calamintha
06-27-2007, 05:46 PM
Jeremy, Shetland wool is a type of wool that comes from the Shetland breed of Sheep. Most of the time when the term is used in lace knitting it refers to what is called "jumper weight" (which is equivalent to fingering weight yarn) or laceweight yarn. There is also Shetland cobweb yarn which is lighter than laceweight.

For most things I would not think you could substitute worsted but it may depend on the pattern. What pattern are you thinking of?

Calamintha
06-27-2007, 06:00 PM
Anne, I've found the folks at Schoolhouse Press very helpful and you might want to contact them and give them the link to Wendy's shawl and see what they have to say as qiviut said. You could ask them whether the pattern as it appears in Wool Gathering is any different than the way it appears in the Knitters book. I'm guessing it probably isn't. No sense in ordering the leaflet if you already have the book unless it does offer the edging you want.

The edging looks to me like one called "Narrow Edging" that appears in Barbara Abbey's book on lace. Schoolhouse Press used to print that but unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be available anymore. There are some free edging patterns available on line that you could look through also:

http://www.knitting-and.com/knitting/patterns-lace.htm

Stonington
06-28-2007, 07:59 AM
Calamintha,
I did just that yesterday- and am just about to log into my e-mail here at work to see if there is a response. I had also thought about doing the center part and adding my own edging-there are so many beautiful lace patterns. Thank you so much! :) anne

Jeremy
06-28-2007, 10:36 AM
Jeremy, Shetland wool is a type of wool that comes from the Shetland breed of Sheep. Most of the time when the term is used in lace knitting it refers to what is called "jumper weight" (which is equivalent to fingering weight yarn) or laceweight yarn. There is also Shetland cobweb yarn which is lighter than laceweight.

For most things I would not think you could substitute worsted but it may depend on the pattern. What pattern are you thinking of?

I was actually thinking of this shawl here. So when people say they are knitting a shetland shawl they special order the yarn? :shrug:

Stonington
06-28-2007, 12:21 PM
Calamintha,
I did just that yesterday- and am just about to log into my e-mail here at work to see if there is a response. I had also thought about doing the center part and adding my own edging-there are so many beautiful lace patterns. Thank you so much! :) anne

They are sending the pattern!!! :woot:Fantastic customer service! I am so excited! Thanks for all of your help!

anne

Calamintha
06-28-2007, 03:15 PM
I was actually thinking of this shawl here. So when people say they are knitting a shetland shawl they special order the yarn? :shrug:

Oh, ok, you're talking about the Stonington Shawl. Sorry, I'm a little slow today. :lol:

The pattern specifies the Schoolhouse Press Shetland wool which is "jumper" weight, i.e. fingering weight to those in the US. You do not have to use Shetland wool however. You can use any yarn you wish. You could probably do this shawl in worsted weight if you wanted to.

If you use worsted you will probably want to use a larger needle like size 10 or 10.5. You will probably wind up with a larger shawl than 54" x 54" but the Frost Flowers and Leaves shawl in A Gathering of Lace is 72" so that might be ok. You could probably adjust the Stonington Shawl pattern though if it seemed to be getting too large. I don't think it would be too difficult.

The pattern calls for larger needles than I would expect for fingerweight yarn. I certainly think you could use sport weight or even DK weight with size 9 needles and the shawl wouldn't be too much larger than the original.

Calamintha
06-28-2007, 03:16 PM
They are sending the pattern!!! :woot:Fantastic customer service! I am so excited! Thanks for all of your help!

anne

Oh, that's great. Does the pattern from the Wool Gathering leaflet have the same edge as Wendy's, did you find out?

Stonington
06-28-2007, 03:43 PM
Calamintha,
This was the response I got after sending them a picture, so it really is not clear:

WG 15 is now available as Spunout 18. The Spunout contains two variations
for the lace border. I can send it to you if you like. It is a Ralph
Stinson lace design.

When I receive it in the mail I will let you know. :)
anne
:)