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KnitWit1987
02-25-2008, 03:22 AM
So we have been living in our current house for about 1 year and a couple months. My fiance and I buy houses, fix them up and sell them. Because the housing market is so down right now we have lived here longer than expected. When we first moved in here the only neighbor that came to introduce herself was the lady directly across the street. She seemed nice. After awhile we started seeing her go out to get the mail it a short tee shirt and underwear (kinda weird but whatever) Then they let their yard grow into a jungle, her boyfriend would only mow a small piece of the yard where they parked one of their cars. We noticed a couple weeks ago that they were moving their stuff out in the middle of the night. Than, a realtor came to my door explaining the house was being foreclosed on and he wanted me to call him if they came by. Well I never seen them again. Magically, a cat started hanging out in my front yard. I started feeding the cat and I knew it was their cat and they had abandoned it. I know people go through hard times and I dont mind feeding it. Anyway, on Friday 4 people were over there cleaning the house out. They had filled 3 dumpsters up by the end of the day. On saturday, they had put a remax sign up so we walked over to look at the house. We were thinking we could buy it and it would be easy to fix up since it was just right across the street. So we are looking around, the house was cleaner but you could tell it had been a pig sty. Then we notice someone had written this crazy stuff on the walls. On one wall it said "money is now" then another said "kill the donkeys. Okay, obiously we were living across from some kind of drug addicts but it gets worse. I start talking to the guy and he tells me they found a dead cat that appeared to be thrown out on their deck and their was a cat dead in a pet taxi in the basement. He said there was no food or water in the taxi with the cat. This is where I am very very angry:grrr: . Obiously these people were animal abuser and animal abuse is a felony in this state. Would someone please tell me why this guy just threw these poor dead animals away instead of calling the police? I am absolutly sick about this, I am a huge animal lover and to think this happened right across the street. If only I would have known bet your butt I would have been over there getting those cats. The worst part being they had a dog and I seen them take it when they left. If this guy would have called the police maybe they could have gotten them and got the dog a good home. These people better hope I never see them. I did feel bad for them until we found this out. Now I know this sounds harse but they deserve to starve to death under a bridge somewhere. I have absolutly no pity for animal abusers. I am so sick about this I cant stop thinking about it, I feel almost responsible but what could I have done?

Silver
02-25-2008, 08:03 AM
You didn't know, therefore you couldn't have done anything. It's not your fault! Please don't blame yourself over something you had zero control over.

Instead, love your animals a little deeper. And do something for your local animal shelter in memory of those cats. How about knit a cat bed or two? :hug:

knitncook
02-25-2008, 10:14 AM
Yep, what Silver said. It's sad that people treat animals so poorly! Sounds like you have already adopted one of their cast offs. Should name that cat Lucky!

GinnyG
02-25-2008, 10:28 AM
Oh how terrible. I hope the company that cleaned the house made an ofical police reprt. That way if those creeps do resurface they could be charged with animal cruelty.

mwhite
02-25-2008, 10:42 AM
I agree and this is horrible. Anyone who has an animal and abuses or neglects it should be punished severely.

We have basically become a cat refuge over the past 6 years and have 5 that live in the house and are fixed. We just moved onto an abandoned property that has over 10 cats. I'm sure none of them have been spayed or neutered. Since they are pretty much wild, we are trapping them one by one and having them fixed. We've gotten them to the point where we can pet a few when they eat but they are very shy of anyone. Yes, please make a donation to your local shelter and some shelters actually get grants for the neutering/spaying and will do them just for a donation.

msoebel
02-25-2008, 10:54 AM
We think we have some feral cats living around our apartment complex. No collars and out and about at weird times of the day and night...like in the freezing rain, or at night. Times when well loved kitties would be tucked away in someone's cozy apartment. I would love to adopt them...but dh is severely allergic to kitties. Instead, I just leave food on the back patio and hope that someone else takes the poor babies in. One is obviously this year's kitten. He's just a little guy. And they are both sooo skittish.

People are cruel and thoughtless when they are on drugs. They can't manage to care for their own children properly...I guess no big surprise that they don't think about their animals.

It's still disgusting! If you can't care for a pet, find a loving home for it.

auburnchick
02-25-2008, 10:59 AM
Oh, what a sad story. As the mommy of three rescue dogs, my heart breaks to hear this. Makes me really want to go adopt my fourth...

KnitWit1987
02-25-2008, 11:04 AM
mwhite I think its great that you are getting those cats fixed, I might have to look into doing that for the cat that they abandoned that I am feeding. The cat will not come near anyone, which in a way might be a good thing because if it was friendly being an outside cat it might be subject to more abuse. What kind of trap do you use? As for the comments about the cleaning company turning these people in, they didnt and that is what upsets me the most. It was just 2 couples that did the cleaning and when I asked them about turning them in they just kind of laughed it off. I did call my local police department, and they said that since the cleaners basically diposed of the evidence they cannot do anything. I donate blankets (some that I knitted) to my animal shelter and I also donate money to different animal shelters and organazations. I have tried volenteering but I get so attached and it upsets me too much, I already have 3 dogs and 1 inside cat and then this new one outside. I guess that is what is so frustrating as one person there is only so much that you can do. But, it feels much better that a lot of you guys do the same :cheering:

saracidaltendencies
02-25-2008, 11:51 AM
How horrible! I have absolutely no tolerance for people who abuse animals. In my mind, people like that are scum. Unfortunately it comes as no surprise the cleaning people did nothing about it...We had a house fire many years ago and lost a lot of pets. We got a few of our cats out of the house, but, one cat kept running back inside because her kitten was in there. We got her out about 3 times before we ourselves had to get out and we thought she was still out of the house the last time we got her outside. We were looking for her for days, driving around the neighborhood, calling the animal shelters, asking all of our neighbors. No one had seen her. Eventually, the cleaning crew came out and they found her. She did end up running back inside the house and she died from smoke inhalation. The cleaning company even had the audacity to tell us they just threw her body in the dumpster with the "rest of the trash". We were all so very angry...I think they see it as well, they're getting paid to clean up the place and that's all they're going to do, anything else is none of their concern.

I'm a firm believer in what goes around comes around, and, one day, this will come back to them.

mwhite
02-25-2008, 12:52 PM
mwhite I think its great that you are getting those cats fixed, I might have to look into doing that for the cat that they abandoned that I am feeding. The cat will not come near anyone, which in a way might be a good thing because if it was friendly being an outside cat it might be subject to more abuse. What kind of trap do you use?

http://www.safeguardproducts.com/

You place an open can of catfood at the back of the cage, they trip the door when they walk across the plate. DO NOT let them out until you decide to keep them or take them to the humane society. They are smart and if they are let out, they will not go back in. Animal professionals are used to handling ferels once you get them to the facility.

Debkcs
02-25-2008, 01:10 PM
We have a regular SPCA shelter here, but I'd never, ever take an abandoned animal to them. If you can find the nearest 'no kill' shelter, they can usually loan you humane traps.

Thank you for caring about these little ones.

mwhite
02-25-2008, 01:21 PM
Yes and you'll need to check with your shelter to see if they even deal with cats and what their policies are. In the county where we work, there's a "No Kill" facility and I'm afraid they are not very good at finding homes for cats. In the county where we live, they have a "No Kill" policy for tame cats and dogs, but the ferels are usually put to sleep if they can't be handled.

fibrenut
02-25-2008, 01:34 PM
I'm just wondering if those peeps weren't meth heads. Did they have lots of peeps showing up at all hours?
Was there weird smells emanating from their house?:zombie:
If there were, I wouldn't touch that house with a ten foot pole. What with all the volatile chemicals that are used to make meth. The vapors seep into the walls and the wood and can make people sick even after it's been "cleaned" up. Probably why they up n ran in the middle of the night.

KnitWit1987
02-25-2008, 03:28 PM
Our humane society here has told me they are so full of cats they will only take them to be put to sleep on the spot however, there is a 9 lives shelter which is no kill. I haven't been able to get ahold of them yet, their phone is always busy. I was also told that I cannot set a trap fpr the cat where I live because there are several fox and racoons in the neighborhood. I know the cat is a boy, I'm not sure if it would be best just to let him be and keep feeding him? I dont know what else to do.

Also as far as them being meth heads, I really don't think so. There was hardly ever anyone at their house, they never left except to get beer and they were both over weight. I don't know what they were doing but by the writings that were on their wall they had to be on something besides alcohol.

mwhite
02-25-2008, 04:00 PM
If he's male, he'll get wanderlust and will just disappear one day, out searching for females to breed and then there will be 3,4,5 more males or females...and so on and so on..... or he'll show up one day with bloody ears or a cut leg from fighting for females to breed and then there will be 4,5,6 more males or females...and so on and so on....AM I CLEAR? LOL! I do believe in putting them to sleep if they can't be cared for, humanely.

Rabbitrescuer
02-25-2008, 04:09 PM
Yep, what Silver said. It's sad that people treat animals so poorly! Sounds like you have already adopted one of their cast offs. Should name that cat Lucky!

I agree with what Silver said as well. However don't ever name an animal Lucky. I work at an emergency vet clinic & I have never ever seen a case with a good outcome for an animal named Lucky.

photolady
02-25-2008, 04:27 PM
I don't like animal abusers, either. IMO, abusing an animal is a symptom of some type of mental illness.
In reading several books on criminals, and why they act the way they do, all criminals who had been abused, themselves, would abuse animals. It's my opinion that there might have been abuse going on within the family unit, also, at the house you talk about.
Drugs, drug abuse, alcoholism, unfortunately, are a factor, in a large percentage of animal abuse or animal neglect cases.


On a corresponding note, child abuse is more serious than animal abuse.
I hope you all are brave enough to report suspected child abuse.

There are four primary types of child abuse:

1. physical abuse
2. sexual abuse
3. emotional abuse
4. neglect
Often children who have suffered sexual abuse show no physical signs, and the abuse goes undetected unless a physician spots evidence of forced sexual activity. However, there are behavioral clues to sexual abuse, including:

* Inappropriate interest in or knowledge of sexual acts
* Seductive behavior
* Reluctance or refusal to undress in front of others
* Extra aggression or, at the other end of the spectrum, extra compliance
* Fear of a particular person or family member

Children who use the Internet are also vulnerable to come-ons by adults online. Among the warning signs of online sexual child abuse are these:

* Your child spends large amounts of time online, especially at night.
* You find pornography on your child's computer.
* Your child receives phone calls from people you don't know, or makes calls, sometimes long distance, to numbers you don't recognize.
* Your child receives mail, gifts, or packages from someone you don't know.
* Your child turns the computer monitor off or quickly changes the screen on the monitor when you come into the room.
* Your child becomes withdrawn from the family.
* Your child is using an online account belonging to someone else.

photolady
02-25-2008, 04:28 PM
A bit of info on the psychopathology of animal abusers:

studies have shown that individuals who take pleasure in inflicting harm on animals are more likely to do so to humans. One of the known warning signs of certain psychopathologies, including anti-social personality disorder, also known as psychopathic personality disorder, is a history of torturing pets and small animals, a behavior known as zoosadism. According to the New York Times, "[t]he FBI has found that a history of cruelty to animals is one of the traits that regularly appears in its computer records of serial rapists and murderers, and the standard diagnostic and treatment manual for psychiatric and emotional disorders lists cruelty to animals a diagnostic criterion for conduct disorders. [3] "A survey of psychiatric patients who had repeatedly tortured dogs and cats found all of them had high levels of aggression toward people as well, including one patient who had murdered a young boy." [4]

Cruelty to animals is one of the three components of the MacDonald Triad, indicators of violent antisocial behavior in children and adolescents. According to the studies used to form this model, cruelty to animals is a common (but not with every case) behavior in children and adolescents who grow up to become serial killers and other violent criminals.

It has also been found that animal cruelty in children is frequently committed by children who have witnessed or been victims of abuse themselves. In two separate studies cited by the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), roughly one-third of families suffering from domestic abuse indicated that at least one child had hurt or killed a pet.

:verysad:

Lucy78green
02-25-2008, 04:28 PM
Also as far as them being meth heads, I really don't think so. There was hardly ever anyone at their house, they never left except to get beer and they were both over weight. I don't know what they were doing but by the writings that were on their wall they had to be on something besides alcohol.
Maybe they are mentally ill or of below average intelligence. We had a couple living next door to us who used to throw dirty nappies and rubbish off the fire escape. They weren't really fit parents! They came across as having learning difficulties

photolady
02-25-2008, 04:45 PM
Maybe they are mentally ill or of below average intelligence. We had a couple living next door to us who used to throw dirty nappies and rubbish off the fire escape. They weren't really fit parents! They came across as having learning difficulties

Excellent point!:thumbsup:

willowangel
02-25-2008, 06:31 PM
I'm generally of the opinion that anyone caught torturing an animal should be monitored for the rest of their lives - as photolady said, it can be the first sign of an escalating problem. There's so, so many cases of people who have done terrible things to people having a history of animal abuse - so I think it should lead to monitoring. It's good that it's a felony there - over here it's really difficult to prosecute animal abusers - the most that happens is a fine and an order that they're not allowed any more animals, but that's really hard to enforce. I think if it's torture, rather than 'simple' neglect (not to downplay the seriousness of that, but there are different motivations) then it's almost always the sign of something very wrong with that person.

My kitty came in through the window one night and never left, but she was almost feral and showed terrible signs of abuse - she had cigarette burns on her back, hardly any fur and still has lumps along her tail and back where there seem to have been breaks that weren't set. She'll still nip if you catch any of the sore spots, but otherwise she's come on so far - it's been 6 years now and she's so loving and affectionate.

KnitWit1987
02-26-2008, 02:07 AM
Thanks everyone for your responses. Unfortantly, I havent seen the cat all day today so I am not sure what to do. I know that it will go mate with other cats and recreate tons of babies but, according to the humane society I cannot set a trap or I will get in trouble. This cat will not come near me, if I even look out the window when hes eating he runs away. So, I am not sure how to catch him. I know these people were probably severely mentally ill but I called the police and theres nothing that can be done. So I guess my hands are tied when it comes to that. If anyone has any other ideas on how to get the cat I would appreciate it!

BethLaf
02-26-2008, 08:24 AM
I have to say this is disgusting, BUT the humane society is not always the way to go , not only are they overpopulated , but they turn people who want to adopt away sometimes too, for what seems like odd reasons ,

We got turned down by the local humane society here because we have only been in wisconsin for 7 months and moved once , (i got a promotion) , so they said we hadn't been in one plac long enough , we weren't stable....

the local no kill shelter approved us after a phone call to our previous 2 vets.

KnitWit1987
02-26-2008, 08:55 AM
If I am able to catch the cat I will not take it to the humane society, as I have previously said they are full an will only take cats to be put to sleep on the spot. I would take the cat to a local no kill animal shelter, but I cannot seem to catch it.

photolady
02-26-2008, 10:16 AM
My kitty came in through the window one night and never left, but she was almost feral and showed terrible signs of abuse - she had cigarette burns on her back, hardly any fur and still has lumps along her tail and back where there seem to have been breaks that weren't set.

That is unfathomable to me. How can someone do that???
Doesn't that make you angry?

How a person can deliberately hurt a domestic animal, is beyond me.