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knitpurlgurl
06-13-2008, 10:44 AM
:waah: So I was reading the KP post (the part about the LYS that ragged on the KP Harmony needles) and it reminded me of a local yarn shop that I came across when I FIRST started knitting. They actually laughed at my aluminum (cheapy JoAnns) needles and my yarn. I knew nothing about 'quality' yarns and needles when I first started. Like any newbie, I thought you just bought any yarn or needles and begin. Infact, I purposely bought the cheapest yarn and needles incase I was no good at knitting or ended up hating it.. then I wouldn't have much invested in it. But, that still resonates with me.. "Where did you get THOSE needles?" And the look that came with the question. I felt so embarrassed and out of place. I didn't want to go back there ever again.

Have you ever encountered a Knitting Snob? I now know what needles and/or yarn I prefer. But, I STILL use acrylic yarns (especially when charity knitting or practicing new techniques) and bamboo, aluminum, and cheapy needles. I won't throw these out or refuse to knit with them. I have invested in more expensive needles that I love - but all in all, it's the KNITTING I love. I find it a real turn off when people basically discourage others to begin knitting or crocheting by insulting their materials. I just love to knit for the sake of knitting. I also love the knitting community - it is generally a warm and welcoming community.

So yes - I do still buy yarns from the chain stores. Yes, I still knit with plastic, aluminum, and bamboo needles on occassion. But I also buy Addis and Rowan too.

Plantgoddess+
06-13-2008, 11:19 AM
I unfortunately don't have any friends who knit so don't know any knitting snobs, but I do get strangers in public ask why I waste my time knitting socks when you can just go to Kmart and get them for a buck. They also keep watching me knit so I put it down to a twinge of jealousy that they don't knit.
I use any yarn I can afford that is suitable for the project. Drugstore acrylics are great for afghans that are going to get a lot of use and abuse. I wouldn't spend a lot on yarn to make some of the really faddish patterns around as you probably wouldn't want to wear them after fashions change.
Knit with what you like and what you can afford. I knit for 30 years with a mishmash of needles accumulated at yard sales and 2nd hand stores mostly. I have finally upgraded some of my needles and do notice a difference, but I knit a lot of items on less than stellar tools.

jheatherley
06-13-2008, 11:21 AM
Good for you! As far as I can tell, a knitting needle is a knitting needle; and a cheap one serves my purpose just as well as an expensive one. And since about 99% of the knitting (and crocheting) I do is for charity, I use acrylics almost exclusively to avoid bankrupting myself.

MAmaDawn
06-13-2008, 11:33 AM
I use the yarn that fits the job. And I actually prefer aluminum needles, can't stand the Nickel plated ones. And while I do knit with bamboo, the whole time I am wishing they were aluminum. Can you get aluminum that's not cheap brands?

Fortunately for me I have not yet meet snobs like that. I'm sorry that they were like that to you. That's horrible.

WynnieG
06-13-2008, 11:46 AM
:hug: KPGurl, don't let the bahstids get you down! They are SO not worth the wasted energy! Some people like to throw their weight around and in their own minds, they are THE authority on everything. The more they badger you with their opinions - not facts! - really, the more insecure they are. Take heart from that, and don't give away your personal power.

Don't you love how LYS owners love to rag about products they conveniently do not carry? Funny that...

In my world, rude folks reap what they sow. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten rolled eyes or quips about my pattern, my yarn, or my equipment. Yes, I have a couple of Addi Turbos - but I also just went down to Wrights' Factory Outlet (sadly, the store near us is being moved to another state and they're selling out) recently to buy a ton of Boye needles. I like the old button style better than the new plastic ends on Susan Bates', because with the Boye needles my knitting doesn't fall off the end! Today I just ordered, by way of a test-drive, Options interchangables for one needle size, with three cables. I'd been using Addi Turbo Lace needles on this Rona shawl, but the cost of two more Addi needles just to finish this project was ridiculous! As far as I'm concerned, anyone who rags me or anyone I care about on account of my/their needle choice can look forward to having a fun afternoon in the ER having said utensils removed from their person. :twisted:

In terms of yarn, I agree with both of you. Knit what you can with what you can. If I'm making an heirloom piece (ie, lace shawl) for a relative, I may use a better yarn - making that same pattern for myself, I'd probably use a recycled sweater or what have you. I have this thing for knitting out of odds and ends lately - I think I must have a little Mrs. Weasley in me. I don't waste my time with really trendy garments, because if I'm going to take the time and the expense knit something I want to wear it until it falls apart. Classic lines look better on me anyway.

About the only thing I'm a 'snob' on, and it's more for practicality than any pretense at poshness, is acrylic fiber. There are two charities I knit for (Afghans for Afghans and the Snuggles Project). One only accepts wool goods; the other, they'll accept acrylic but after a scare at home with our own shelter-adopted beagle (she'll be 2 next month), I only knit/crochet in cotton now, as according to our vet that has a better chance to pass through should a dog decide to get chewy.

I love silk and cashmere, but have yet to play with them. Alpaca suits me fine as a cashmere substitute.

:knitting:

Arielluria
06-13-2008, 12:10 PM
I HATE any kind of snobs!!!!!! It's OK to prefer a better yarn, clothes, wine, car, etc. but to belittle someone else their choice or budget allowance is just wrong!!!!!! I've encountered that sort of attitude, if veiled, in the expensive yarn stores.

I don't hang out at LYSs at all!:nails:

I'm a thrifty knitter, and though I have the means to spend MUCH more on needles and yarn, etc. I feel there are more important things to spend on, so I am proud to be thrifty..........call me a snob SNOB!!!!!!!!!!!!

knitpurlgurl
06-13-2008, 12:19 PM
I'm a thrifty knitter, and though I have the means to spend MUCH more on needles and yarn, etc. I feel there are more important things to spend on, so I am proud to be thrifty..........call me a snob SNOB!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROTFLMAO! :roflhard:

psquidy
06-13-2008, 12:22 PM
I've been known to go to a thrift shop, buy a sweater, take it home and tear it up so i can knit it into something I like! I'd hate to hear those LYS snobs say something about it. I think it's great to really love and enjoy what you knit with but you should respect others for what they are doing and not rag on something they are investing time in. I HAT THAT! I try no to hang out at my LYS because the people are so awfull. Why do they have to be that way? Why can't they be more like us? I have tons of acrylic yarns and LOTS AND LOTS of aluminun needles, some that I am very attached to. I have bamboo as well and I love that too. It's just whatever fits at the time. They shouldn't have said that to you. Especially as a beginner.

Cynamar
06-13-2008, 12:28 PM
I bought Boye needles when I started. My mom has knitted since college and she only uses them and acrylic yarn. I agree that you use what you like and are comfortable with. I have learned that I don't care for aluminum needles except for wool yarn. I want slick tips, a good flexible cable, and a sharp pointy tip. I have been funny about natural fibers since middle school. I will use acrylic for something that calls for it--Oddball blankets and such--but for me to wear I want natural fibers. I'm not a snob about it. That's just what I like. I stocked up on Wool-Ease for gift projects--mostly alligator scarves. I do feel a litttle self-conscious in my LYS. I don't think they make me feel like that but that I expect them to be snobbier than they are. I determined to not hesitate to tell them when I want something less expensive than they are showing me. I am a working single mom of a teenager who needs a lot of things. I refuse to be embarrassed or stressed about one more thing!

tarrentella
06-13-2008, 12:37 PM
I had the reverse happen the other day. We only have a very tiny yarn store in Durham (it is a market stall) and they seem to specialise in acrylic yarns in pastel shades or fun yarns like eyelash and so on.
I don't mind cheap yarn or acrylic at all. some of it is beautiful and a lot of it is practicle since it can take a lot more of a beating. Hower, I am looking to make a vest for my BF and he said he would like it to be made out of wool or a wool blend.

I was having a good rumage around to see what they had and found a bag which i realy liked the look of but had no label on. I asked the shop assistant if he knew what fibre it was and he gave me a funny look and said he wasnt sure but he thought it was an 80/20 wool acrylic blend, but ' ... did it realy matter?'.

He looked at me as if i was a freak for caring what type of fibre the garments i make are made from?! backward yarn snobbery!

Arielluria
06-13-2008, 12:39 PM
I PREFER my aluminum needles!

And the answer as to why the LYSs act that way?????? Money of course! If they can deceive you into thinking you're not a good enough knitter, or you might knit better or faster with THEIR superior stuff, or your final product would be loved more by the recipient (after you put all that work into it) if you used their super expensive yarn, then they can stay in business.

Just a tad cynical? I suppose so, but practical as well, they need the clientelle in order to stay in business.

The first time I went to my LYS and I was thinking I'd like to make DH a fisherman's (Aran) sweater.......even though we live in S. TX and he HATES sweaters :teehee:.........:shock: So I asked to see some Aran yarn appropriate for that and DH is a big guy (6' 3" about 250 lbs......so we're talking an XL or XXL here!) and they told me it would take at least 20 skeins of yarn at $12/skein............well I went:
:thud:

I wished I could tell them
"I'd have to be plastered ":clink:" to do that!!!!!!!!" Pay that much for a sweater AND knit it myself?!? LOL!

Knit4Fun
06-13-2008, 12:54 PM
I haven't had an experience like yours per se, but it makes me wonder if some new knitters are sadly turned off to knitting because of the attitude of some shop owners/knitters/whoever is being a snob about knitting. I mean, if you are starting a new craft and someone puts you or your choices down, it might make you think twice about continuing...then again, it might make you twice as determined to master the craft to tell them where to put THEIR needles and yarn :teehee: too...

Debkcs
06-13-2008, 12:59 PM
In my 30's I crocheted like a fiend. Lots' and lots' of crocheted articles. Went to a LYS (different state than now) and asked for a specific yarn. She knew I did't knit, and said,"Hardly worth while to spend that just to crochet with it."

To this day I'm proud of my reaction, just turned on my heel and walked out, without any 'handsignals', and never went back.

No one should ever be shamed into buying something they can't afford.

WynnieG
06-13-2008, 01:03 PM
It would be so much easier if LYS could just put out a sign, so that we knew where they stood on the matter before we opened up the door...

A well placed "We cater to Fiber Snobs & Needle Elitists" would be simple enough, wouldn't it? Then I'd know from the parking lot that I need not spend my money with them, and go instead to the store with the sign that said "KNITTERS/CROCHETERS/FIBER ARTISANS WELCOME HERE".

I mean, the shop drama? It's high school. They need to grow up.

Knit4Fun
06-13-2008, 01:06 PM
It would be so much easier if LYS could just put out a sign, so that we knew where they stood on the matter before we opened up the door...

A well placed "We cater to Fiber Snobs & Needle Elitists" would be simple enough, wouldn't it? Then I'd know from the parking lot that I need not spend my money with them, and go instead to the store with the sign that said "KNITTERS/CROCHETERS/FIBER ARTISANS WELCOME HERE".

I mean, the shop drama? It's high school. They need to grow up.

Yeah, I just don't deal well with that sort of drama. I had it up the wazoo in high school, and was SO thrilled to go off on my own to a big college where NO ONE was above anyone else. That gave me the freedom to find my voice later on in situations like this where someone puts something or someone else down.

I just don't understand why people don't get the difference between saying 'I prefer fine needles and yarn' - okay cool - and 'Your choice is inferior to mine' - it's semantics in presentation but so different in how it makes a person feel!

Of course, that's also why I am pretty apolitical..... :teehee:

LovelyLinda
06-13-2008, 01:08 PM
"Hardly worth while to spend that just to crochet with it."

That's ridiculous! Your reaction was perfect because people like that are not worth the effort. Why do LYS care what you're using the yarn for as long as they get your money. Also, why can't they understand that it shouldn't matter to them if you buy the less expensive yarn or equipment as long as you're buying and they get your money. If they treat customers with respect, we are more apt to be repeat customers.

Arielluria
06-13-2008, 01:13 PM
I mean, the shop drama? It's high school. They need to grow up.

You are SOOOOOOO right! Well put!

suzeeq
06-13-2008, 01:30 PM
She knew I did't knit, and said,"Hardly worth while to spend that just to crochet with it."

She was an idiot... she must not have realized that crochet uses up a little more yarn than knitting, would've sold more to you than a knitter.

Mike
06-13-2008, 02:02 PM
I find it a real turn off when people basically discourage others to begin knitting or crocheting by insulting their materials.
I think snobbery is a turn off to anyone starting anything, except other snobs. Not just the part of insulting what they have but the part of you have to spend a ton of money.

I ONLY see it on the internet or heard of it coming from the specialty shops, and it goes to all hobbies (computers, archery, knitting, woodworking, etc.). No matter what it is, you need the best or it "won't work".

I remember an old saying, "it's a poor craftsman who blames his tools".
Obviously the LYS (computer shop, archery pro-shop, etc) is trying to sell you what they have and they know exactly where you got those needles, but the users who blame your tools have something lacking that they are trying to make up for.

I only know crocheters but none are snobs. Just like the generations before everything is Red Heart. I'm the only one I know who uses wool (because I do a lot of cold weather outdoor activities).
My sister likes Alpaca but she doesn't use it because of the price.

I wished I could tell them
"I'd have to be plastered "" to do that!!!!!!!!" Pay that much for a sweater AND knit it myself?!? LOL!
Exactly. And I would not (and will not) balk at telling a store that when I go in and figure up a triple digit price to MAKE a sweater.
All across the line needs to get realistic on their pricing. But that's why they push the snobbery, that way they don't have to get real. (And I'm not saying a LYS is making a killing, I know the ways of a small business, but on the other side, I know the ways of a small business.)

Also, why can't they understand that it shouldn't matter to them if you buy the less expensive yarn or equipment as long as you're buying and they get your money.
I buy wholesale for $x. I mark up X%. So the retail price becomes $XX. If I bought wholesale at $xx, the price becomes $xxxx.
A lot of business people are blinded by the dollar signs of big ticket items and don't realize selling twice as many small ticket items makes them just as much money.

They also don't realize that if they turn someone off with $xxxx when all they are willing to spend is $xx that person won't come back.
Instead of blaming their own poor business practices they use snobbery to blame the would've been customer.
"Why won't people come into my store? They just don't know quality." instead of "I need to learn what my customer base wants."

Jan in CA
06-13-2008, 02:19 PM
I've never encountered something like that at my LYS which I suppose is why I spend every Friday evening there at social knitting. I have heard about customers who come in with an attitude though.
I do feel obligated to spend some money there if I'm going to sit in their shop. They only require that you purchase supplies from them for some classes which I gladly did for the sock class. I think by providing us the space and time to knit it seems that most of the knitters shop there anyway. I can't afford a LOT of their yarns, but I do use some of the cheaper ones. :teehee:

I also don't think there is anything wrong with yarn from craft and discount stores and I use them for a lot of things. :thumbsup:

knitpurlgurl
06-13-2008, 02:32 PM
I've never encountered something like that at my LYS which I suppose is why I spend every Friday evening there at social knitting. I have heard about customers who come in with an attitude though.
I do feel obligated to spend some money there if I'm going to sit in their shop. They only require that you purchase supplies from them for some classes which I gladly did for the sock class. I think by providing us the space and time to knit it seems that most of the knitters shop there anyway. I can't afford a LOT of their yarns, but I do use some of the cheaper ones. :teehee:

I also don't think there is anything wrong with yarn from craft and discount stores and I use them for a lot of things. :thumbsup:

That's just it... I wandered in on a sit n knit night (the first time I had ever joined in with a group). I had just been to the shop earlier that day and bought $XXX worth of yarn for another project I wanted to start and they told me to join them that evening. So I brought with me a project (simple beginner baby blanket) that I had started to learn to knit. And that's when I encountered the snobbery over my needles AND yarn.. I was so humiliated, that I never went back there.

Cynamar
06-13-2008, 02:59 PM
I took Julianne with me to my LYS last Friday night and she fell in love with a scarf hanging in there. It was made of several different yarns. The manager of the shop, after I told J to pick out yarn, aasked me how much she could spend on this scarf. I appreciated that. After a thread here about snobby lys employees I wasn't expecting them to be so cool.

knitpurlgurl
06-13-2008, 03:08 PM
I took Julianne with me to my LYS last Friday night and she fell in love with a scarf hanging in there. It was made of several different yarns. The manager of the shop, after I told J to pick out yarn, aasked me how much she could spend on this scarf. I appreciated that. After a thread here about snobby lys employees I wasn't expecting them to be so cool.

That's a true knitter! You always (even if you don't want to) must consider the price for the project you are knitting. Stick with that LYS!

Don't get me wrong - I am PRO LYS! I think we should do what we can to keep great little places in business. After all, it is usually the LYS that offers more personalized attention; great tips; specialty yarns and needles... They usually offer classes and sit n knits. Why NOT frequent them and keep them in business? This not only fosters our love of fine yarns, but of community. However, like another poster said, it's okay to prefer fine yarns and needles, but a whole other thing to degrade someone else's preferrance or what they can afford.

Mike
06-13-2008, 03:16 PM
So I brought with me a project (simple beginner baby blanket) that I had started to learn to knit. And that's when I encountered the snobbery over my needles AND yarn.. I was so humiliated, that I never went back there.

That was just stupid.
But I hear of the same thing going on in archery shops. It's even worse there because some people can only practice at the shops. At least you can knit at home.

What's funny with the Archery Snobs is if the product has the word "Pro" in it they flock to it, "I need to have confidence in my equipment". And every year the new word changes, a couple years ago everything had "elite" in the name.
I was accidentally shipped "pro" carbon arrows. Other than twice the price and a $12 price tag every time one gets broken I can't tell a difference.
Yet forums are full of people saying that new archers NEED those. And of course that sounds better to the new archer than "you're not good enough to see the difference in any arrow" so they listen to the snobs, quickly break the arrows and can't afford more. So the bow ends up on Ebay.

It's the same way with beginning knitters and expensive yarn. If I screwed up 4 skeins of $12 yarn like I did Red Heart with my first crochet project I would've quit right then.
I don't know why they can't figure out that beginners need to start at the beginning.

susi
06-13-2008, 03:45 PM
i have never had this with knitting, but hat could be because i havent bought from a yarn shop every. i only buy supermarket yarn tahts ok. its fine for what i want it for and its all i can afford right now. my needles are either plastic or alluminum,

susi
06-13-2008, 03:47 PM
duno whati did but hey, not a techy person can you tell hehe

i have had this kinda thing with horses, you cant buy that saddle its not got this that and the other, things i didnt want or need. i cant stand people like that.

susi

jdee
06-13-2008, 04:12 PM
In my 30's I crocheted like a fiend. Lots' and lots' of crocheted articles. Went to a LYS (different state than now) and asked for a specific yarn. She knew I did't knit, and said,"Hardly worth while to spend that just to crochet with it."

I can't believe she said that. Why do so many think that crochet is inferior to knitting? My mother, aunt, and lots of the women in my family always had a crochet hook in thier hand, and I was crocheting when I was a teenager. I loved it. I didn't start knitting until a few years ago, when hobby lobby had a half price sale on all thier learning books. Now I love to knit, too. I got so irritated with myself last week, because I've been knitting 6x9 rectangles for the HAP project, and I decided that, for a little change of pace, I'd crochet a few. Well, I seem to have forgotten how to crochet, and it bums me out, because I feel that is something my mother passed on to me.:sad: I can't seem to get the gauge right.

amy
06-13-2008, 04:24 PM
That's just it... I wandered in on a sit n knit night (the first time I had ever joined in with a group). ... And that's when I encountered the snobbery over my needles AND yarn.. I was so humiliated, that I never went back there.

Oh no, what a horrible introduction to knitting with a group! :pout:

I've encountered snobery at one particular LYS. I tried hanging out there for the community, but the vibe was just so Holier Than Thou, I couldn't stand it. The last time I was there, I tried chiming in with advice for someone, and I got snapped at by the staff member helping her! :roll: (If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone! :roflhard: ) Needless to say, I don't go there any more!

Thankfully there are other shops in the area where the people are totally warm and down to earth. I :heart:love:heart: supporting these places. They have a great vibe that is all about sharing. In these places, it truly doesn't matter what skill level you're at, folks will embrace you as a fellow knitter. That's my kind of place!

I still knit with acrylic yarns now and then. I don't love acrylics the way I do natural fibers, but they have their place, for sure. Being thrifty (for a new knitter or anyone) is definitely one of their places! :thumbsup: (Also being so washable and tough, and generally low commitment.)

And I LOVE Boye aluminum needles! All of my DPN's are colored aluminum ones. If Boye's interchangeable kit had more flexible cables, it would be my ideal kit, hands down. (I usually use it when I need a 24" cable or longer.) I like nickle plated needles a lot too, but often they make my tension tighten up, oddly. :?? And I absolutely love the pretty colors on the aluminum needles! :) I can't resist that!

Jan in CA
06-13-2008, 04:27 PM
That's just it... I wandered in on a sit n knit night (the first time I had ever joined in with a group). I had just been to the shop earlier that day and bought $XXX worth of yarn for another project I wanted to start and they told me to join them that evening. So I brought with me a project (simple beginner baby blanket) that I had started to learn to knit. And that's when I encountered the snobbery over my needles AND yarn.. I was so humiliated, that I never went back there.

I don't blame you! That is not acceptable and certainly not a way to bring in new customers!

Jeremy
06-13-2008, 05:57 PM
Its all about doing what you love with what you can afford. Some very skillful and experienced knitters use less expensive materials. This is a lot like owning an expensive set of golf clubs and thinking you're a great golfer.

knitpurlgurl
06-13-2008, 08:19 PM
Its all about doing what you love with what you can afford. Some very skillful and experienced knitters use less expensive materials. This is a lot like owning an expensive set of golf clubs and thinking you're a great golfer.

:rofl:

Becky Morgan
06-13-2008, 09:02 PM
I mean, the shop drama? It's high school. They need to grow up.

The small town where I went to school is also where I took my son to preschool reading club at the library. There was a child care group for the parents. None of the other women would talk to me because they were ever so much better. One week, I tried to join a conversation about gardening by mentioning my herb garden. The leader of the pack looked down her elegantly remodeled nose at me. "Oh, haha, you can buy those in little packets at the supermarket, if you ever go there. These country people, I swear, I don't know how we can tolerate having them in our schools..." They didn't get my son in their schools, or my vote for their levies, or our tax money for much of anything.

The local knitters were no better back when. There was one right way to knit: English, very, very tightly, on Brittany walnut needles, bragging about how many carpal tunnel surgeries you'd endured and how many of those expensive little needles you'd snapped and thrown away that week while working with the one and only acceptable brand of superwash wool. If any of them were enjoying their knitting, I didn't see it. Fortunately, there seems to be a much more accepting group around these days!

Shop owners in every sport and hobby need to realize that what they are selling is not a necessity. In tough economic times, the way they welcome, or don't welcome, customers will determine whether or not their business survives.

LilHuskiesFootBallMom
06-13-2008, 09:51 PM
i've gotten it in regards to knitting, mainly from some in our Tribe who claim they knit (have yet to see anything they've made or even see them knitting, period) acting like it was a "who cares" when i was knitting some socks and a scarf... yet if i crochet they act like it's a bigger deal (they're a bit jelous... our tribe has ranks and right from the very beginning i've been really good friends with the highest ranking females and some of the males... something the rest of them have to work for).

I encountered snobs at my local sewing center too... they acted like the machine i bought at walmart was crap (it's a brother machine, they're an authorized brother repair place but because I'm not an expert quilter and i didn't buy my machine... i got the "ohh.... walmart." when they asked where i got it and i told them... sorry i can't afford a $500 machine, the one i got for $130 works REALLY well... i've made a couple of dresses for my granddaughter and tomorrow i'm making a quilt, i have yet to have the bobbin get tangled or have the needles snap and fly off in all directions). so ya know what? i'll go and buy my fabric at Joann's... even if it means driving 45 minutes to Albany to the Joann's super store to get it!

Do it because you love it with what you can afford... we're all here because we love knitting, not because we all have unlimited expense accounts to buy everything top of the line.

ecb
06-13-2008, 09:51 PM
I was sitting and knitting in a big comfy chair in my LYS that I had not bought anything in for over a week, chatting with the lady who works there (she had just showed me the EZ baby sweater she had just bound off, VERY NICE JOB on her part), and these two women came in looking for a nice cotton or silk sweater pattern. They asked about one, then asked for one similar that better met their wants, and started looking at the books (none of which were marked up, but some marked DOWN. we are not a high end community) and we heard one say to the other, 'How do they think they can get prices like THESE for these books' and a reply of 'its just how they make their money you know'

They acted just so aloof,
the LYS lady and I just rolled our eyes at them, and kept enjoying our craft, and let them go in search of some bargain. Both of us offered to help them find what they wanted, the LYS lady even offered to look for a suitable pattern on ravelry.

Ivy19
06-13-2008, 10:13 PM
Sad to say, but its not just LYS. I am a breast cancer survivor and, together with a good friend who is also a survivor, decided to volunteer with a well-known breast cancer research group. They were putting together a golf tournament and needed people to be at each of the 18 holes. Anyway, we went to an informational meeting, with about 20 other women who were also survivors but long-time volunteers with the organization. NONE of them spoke to us. They were very clique-y; reminded us so much of high school. We were so turned off. We worked the tournament but never went back.

What is it about some women? Is it how they make themselves feel better about themselves? How does looking down their noses, at the "newbies" - knitters or whatever - make them feel superior???

I treasure my women friends and hope to meet and make many more in my remaining years. One of things I learned from having cancer, though, is not to waste my time or energy worrying about people like those you describe.

LBECK
06-13-2008, 10:19 PM
Shop owners in every sport and hobby need to realize that what they are selling is not a necessity. In tough economic times, the way they welcome, or don't welcome, customers will determine whether or not their business survives.

This is so true I think. I do not have a LYS within 1 hour of where I live. I would love to open one but I am afraid there wouldn't be enough interest in the small area where I am from to keep it open. I would be someone who would welcome every and all crocheters and knitters. Being that I am one myself that is a crocheter and a knitter (newest at knitting) and I only use the cheapest of all of it right now for that very reason. (and the fact that the only place I can buy locally is wal-mart) I think that 6 or 7 dollars per skein is an enormous amount to spend on yarn. I must really be a newbie at this stuff I didn't even know that they sold yarn for $12 per skein.lol

suzeeq
06-13-2008, 10:33 PM
I must really be a newbie at this stuff I didn't even know that they sold yarn for $12 per skein.lol


Pssst.... they sell it for twice that or more too.

LBECK
06-13-2008, 10:45 PM
Pssst.... they sell it for twice that or more too.

Wow I can't imagine spending that much on yarn. Though I couldn't where I live cause like I said I don't even know where there is a LYS within 150 miles. Maybe in Memphis, TN, but that is 100 miles from me.

suzeeq
06-13-2008, 11:26 PM
I wouldn't spend that much on one skein either.... unless it had about 600 yards and was all I needed for one project and I just couldn't resist...

Jan in CA
06-13-2008, 11:44 PM
Wow I can't imagine spending that much on yarn. Though I couldn't where I live cause like I said I don't even know where there is a LYS within 150 miles. Maybe in Memphis, TN, but that is 100 miles from me.

There is a woman in my LYS who bought enough cashmere at $25 a skein to make the Central Park Hoodie! I've also some for $50 a skein. That is WAY, WAY out of my budget. I've learned that some of the less expensive stuff isn't for me, but I still try to keep projects to a reasonable level and I do shop at stores like Michaels and Joanns often.

Mike
06-13-2008, 11:49 PM
Wow I can't imagine spending that much on yarn. Though I couldn't where I live cause like I said I don't even know where there is a LYS within 150 miles. Maybe in Memphis, TN, but that is 100 miles from me.

Cashmere is about $40-$50 for not that big of a skein/ball.
I would be too nervous to work with that because I can't afford to screw it up (I would also be too nervous to wear it).

If it wasn't on sale the wool for my wool blanket was around $6.50 and had just enough per skein to get a 12" square (crochet) so they weren't very big skeins. Regular price for the blanket would've been $350.

GinnyG
06-14-2008, 06:57 AM
I must admit to being a bit of a yarn snob, I love love love natural fibers and rich hand dyed colors but that being said a knitter should knit with what ever THEY feel comfortable with. I wouldn't want to be criticized for my love of fine yarn any more than I would be critical of someone whose leanings were toward acrylic.

As far as needles go, it doesn't matter if you knit with chopsticks if you are enjoying what you do and are being creative.

there is a lady who comes to my clinic frequently, she always has a knitting project with her. She has scads of grandchildren, she is in a wheel chair and she always has a basket of knitting in her lap. Mittens, hats, bibs....she is prolific, But being a disabled senior her funds are limited, but you know what? Her inexpensive yarn makes some very beautiful things!!!

gingerbread
06-14-2008, 07:37 AM
The very first time I went to my LYS was almost 4 years ago. I wanted to make socks, and needed some help. I wanted some yarn and a pattern to follow. Being very semi-new at knitting again I took the yarn she gave me. Now she was very nice about the whole deal but there sock yarn was not very good and besides it was fingering wt. ya right. I am trying to knit socks with that so not trying to be dumb about the whole thing I took the yarn and pattern and went home. The only thing that makes me mad now and I think then is she only had two colors red and green. Oh just make the heel and toes different colors. Newbie then I just looked and said ok:roflhard: sometimes we can be so silly about not saying anything. I still have that yarn never made a darn thing with it. I think I keep it to remember not to be made to buy yarns that you don't know how to use. Now I am into lace and love that as well.
So I really haven't had any real snobyarn people rib me. Just the kind that make you buy what you don't know how to use.
So just keep your wits about you and don't let people look down or up or sideways as I told my kids and grandkids you are just as good or better depending on the situations.

:waving:

Xwolf_of_shadowx
06-14-2008, 08:08 AM
Ugh. I HATE people who're snobby like that about ANYTHING. Like several people here said, prefering a more expensive yarn or needle brand is perfectly fine, but to tell someone their choise is wrong or inferior is just rude.

suzeeq
06-14-2008, 11:11 AM
Just to mention... fingering weight is the same as sock yarn weight, though the fibers might be a little different.

Becky Morgan
06-14-2008, 11:44 AM
I do not have a LYS within 1 hour of where I live... I must really be a newbie at this stuff I didn't even know that they sold yarn for $12 per skein.lol

There's no LYS around here, either. It's an expedition the time or two a year when I get to go to Joann's or Michaels. I got yelled at for suggesting that Big Lots and Ollie's Bargain Centers carry yarn, but you know what? They do, and it's the only way I get to try out some of the middle of the road stuff. (Lion Magic Stripes looks way different in the ball than when it's knit up. I don't quite know what I'm going to wear with these sock tops whose colors are so, er, interesting.)

One group I used to belong to dissed anything, natural or acrylic, that cost less than $20 for a dinky little ball. My favorite moment was the attempted swap where we were all supposed to make things out of qiviut. Just for fun, here's a link where they're selling 2 oz. and patterns for a super bargain-basement price (but swallow any drink you have in your mouth before you look):
http://www.qiviut.com/store/index.cfm?target=Fiber%20/%20Yarn
They couldn't understand why I didn't feel like making a blanket out of it for the swap. It would only have taken a couple of pounds.

There is, far too often, a distinct one-upmanship at work when you run into a real snob of any kind. "Oh, you paid X amount for that yarn? Well, I woiuldn't think of using trash like that. I had to pay Y for this, and I threw it out because it was soooo, sooo tacky, and then I had to special-order this for only Z, on sale, which is only slightly less than the gross national product of several small countries!" I wonder how often the Y yarn that was "soooo, sooo tacky" was really a victim of poor knitting or poor care, and how often Z actually came out of the yarn store's bargain basket!:roflhard:

Ivy19
06-14-2008, 01:06 PM
My favorite moment was the attempted swap where we were all supposed to make things out of qiviut. Just for fun, here's a link where they're selling 2 oz. and patterns for a super bargain-basement price (but swallow any drink you have in your mouth before you look):
http://www.qiviut.com/store/index.cfm?target=Fiber%20/%20Yarn


Oh my:oo:

Plantgoddess+
06-14-2008, 10:00 PM
Well at least it's not vicuna.
http://www.yarndex.com/yarn.cfm?yarn_id=4507
:shock::thud:

princessbonniejane
06-14-2008, 10:39 PM
Oh my:shock::thud:I understand it's rare but $300 for 1 ball of yarn? that's just crazy. As to being snobby I like fancy yarn but I still knit with acrylics from time to time. I feel that as long as your knitting it doesn't matter what you knit with.

Crycket
06-15-2008, 12:04 PM
I guess I am only a snob when it comes to things I like. I won't touch Boye needles out of the experience that every pair I own equates to nails on a chalk board after the colour wears off the tips where the needles rub together...

If a type of yarn causes me grief, I have no problems "snubing" it. But I suppose that is not being a snob...that is just knowing what you like.

The point is...I don't look down on others for liking what they like!

McKnitty
06-16-2008, 12:32 PM
I think I may have had a knitting snob experience this past Friday. Although not exactly along the lines of expensive yarn or needles.

My LYS has a group that meets on Friday's around noon to sit and knit. I know that Friday's can get quite crowded in the store since this group is there, so I decided to go a little early to hopefully beat the crowd.

I quickly found what I was looking for but wanted to look at my pattern to be sure, so I sat down in one of the chairs. Right then two of the knitting groupies came in and the older lady looked down at me and said 'well, hello there' - you know, the tone was like 'what are you doing sitting in my chair?' I politely said 'don't worry, I won't be here long'. With the tone of her voice and the look on her face, I don't think I misunderstood.

I still can't believe she was so snobbish to me! Maybe she needed some prune juice or something.

knitpurlgurl
06-16-2008, 12:45 PM
I quickly found what I was looking for but wanted to look at my pattern to be sure, so I sat down in one of the chairs. Right then two of the knitting groupies came in and the older lady looked down at me and said 'well, hello there' - you know, the tone was like 'what are you doing sitting in my chair?' I politely said 'don't worry, I won't be here long'. With the tone of her voice and the look on her face, I don't think I misunderstood.

I still can't believe she was so snobbish to me! Maybe she needed some prune juice or something.

I hate that! I've encountered that in church too - like assigned seating. Would it kill people to just say, 'Welcome! Are you here to knit?" and then sit down somewhere else. People can be so cliquey! It's kinda childish.

Cynamar
06-16-2008, 01:24 PM
I'm a little rebelious. My heinie would have been glued to that chair!

lelvsdgs
06-16-2008, 02:00 PM
This is the primary reason I don't frequent my local and the one town up's LYS. I went in prepared to buy and walked out with nothing because of the way I was treated. I don't need to be treated like I'm beneath any of those women and in fact have probably been knitting longer than most of them. They seem to forget the whole concept of customer service and I could never get anyone to wait on me. I gave them 3 strikes and that was it, not going back and no longer recommend them either. Bad service=poor sales. Someday these people will get it.

McKnitty
06-16-2008, 04:43 PM
Oh goodness, I feel like I need to clarify that the 'snob' was another customer who is a regular on Friday's. I have been shopping at my LYS for years and the owners and the employees are so helpful and nice, but they do have some rather snobby-ish customers.