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Tropicflower24
07-21-2008, 03:32 PM
The name "Yarn Harlot" offensive? I've heard so many great things about her books, but that name just..... :shrug:
Now that I've asked that...... :hiding:

Limey
07-21-2008, 03:52 PM
Hi

I don't find the name offensive as such ... just a little unimaginative, which is a bit odd for a woman who has such a terrific sense of humour.

Maybe she got tired of thinking about it and just said "S*d it! That'll have to do."

stitchwitch
07-21-2008, 04:07 PM
:roflhard: Yarn porn makes me cringe. I don't know why, I've been known to cuss like a sailor but somehow the idea of putting a picture of lovely, soft, velvety, rich colorful yarn and naming it porn just makes it not as yummy. Weird I know. Yarn cornucopia sounds so much more pleasant. :teehee:

MMario
07-21-2008, 04:17 PM
But "cornucopia" has a very different connotation then what most people are thinking of when they refer to "yarn porn"

Tropicflower24
07-21-2008, 04:25 PM
I hate that too SW. I know what you mean....... I find that offensive...... Sweet, nice yarn........ And to name it that..... yuck. But that's just mho. :)

tgwillis
07-21-2008, 04:25 PM
Both names make me shake my head. So does the title Stitch and B--. I would feel a little uncomfortable having a book with that title without a book cover in front of my children. I keep thinking what has our culture come to for these to be used so casually. Even though I don't think they (authors, posters) mean anything by it, except that they are a "slave" to yarn and take great pleasure from it.

MAmaDawn
07-21-2008, 04:32 PM
You all are not alone, I too find all 3 offensive....

And I agree po-- just doesn't even seem to fit with yarn even a little.

my $0.02

Jan in CA
07-21-2008, 04:36 PM
I don't find them offensive at all. It's just a joke and a play on words really. :shrug:

figaro
07-21-2008, 04:43 PM
I agree with Jan in Ca, don't find them offensive at all. And I am not one to cuss either. I get mad at my husband when he around the house but Yarn Harlot, yarn p0rn, and Stitch and Bit$% don't bother me.

stitchwitch
07-21-2008, 04:51 PM
The porn one is the only one that grates on me. I'm not really offended by it as much as I don't see the correlation between the two things. But then again, I might be just dense. One is pleasant to me, the other is gross.

fireflyknitter
07-21-2008, 05:06 PM
I don't find any of them offensive personally. They call up-close delicious looking pictures of food "food porn" too. ;)

Jaxhil
07-21-2008, 06:04 PM
The *porn* thing bothers me a bit-but the other two, not so much.

I agree, YH is just a play on words, as is SnB (okay, that may one may bother me just a touch! not that it stopped me from buying the book, lol)~especially if you take the time to read the YH's blog. She's very fun to read, and I haven't ever seen anything offensive at all in her blog-though I admit, I don't keep up with it that much.

katknit
07-21-2008, 09:36 PM
These names are not offensive to me, but they are kinda cheap and vulgar.
:roll:

gargoylelib
07-22-2008, 03:05 AM
Not offensive to me, I always smirk when I see them hehe I'm not
one to use "bad" language but I appreciate the word play involved.
And I think yarn p0rn is a very apt description given that so many
people lust after the yarn in the pics :rofl:

Libbie :)

Azlynn
07-22-2008, 03:16 AM
It's funny you should make this thread. My husband and I were just talking about this today. I'm fairly new to the knitting world and all of the terminology. As I come across terms like this, I tell him all about it and about how shocked I am. I don't talk like this or use the terminology myself, but I am in no way offended by it. I was just shocked when I first started seeing it. But my husband thinks it's funny and said, "You knitters are so naughty!" He's not offended either, mind you. I told him to keep me out of that classification....at least so far. That may change as I become a more seasoned knitter. lol

freebs
07-22-2008, 06:54 AM
The only way to offend an Aussie would be to steal his thongs(flip flops), or his esky. :p Unoffended :p

tgwillis
07-22-2008, 07:27 AM
The *porn* thing bothers me a bit-but the other two, not so much.

I agree, YH is just a play on words, as is SnB (okay, that may one may bother me just a touch! not that it stopped me from buying the book, lol)~especially if you take the time to read the YH's blog. She's very fun to read, and I haven't ever seen anything offensive at all in her blog-though I admit, I don't keep up with it that much.

I agree she is very funny.

LovelyLinda
07-22-2008, 07:34 AM
I'm not offended, nor do I find the terms vulgar in any way. Just a play on words. To each their own.

GinnyG
07-22-2008, 08:04 AM
Not offended at all. I find the Yarn Harlot to be witty and entertaining and yarn porn.....well sometimes the money I spend on yarn is obscene and I do lust for yarn!

Different strokes for different folks, if someone offends you then don't read it. If an expression bothers you, don't use it. There are so many real problems in the world I can't get upset over literary expression. An alternate meaning of the word "pornography" is the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction. Harlot has many meanings; It is a Middle English word, rogue, buffoon, female prostitute, from Anglo-French herlot beggar, vagabond .

It's only offensive if you chose to make it so.

MAmaDawn
07-22-2008, 08:52 AM
Not offended at all. I find the Yarn Harlot to be witty and entertaining and yarn porn.....well sometimes the money I spend on yarn is obscene and I do lust for yarn!

Different strokes for different folks, if someone offends you then don't read it. If an expression bothers you, don't use it. There are so many real problems in the world I can't get upset over literary expression. An alternate meaning of the word "pornography" is the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction. Harlot has many meanings; It is a Middle English word, rogue, buffoon, female prostitute, from Anglo-French herlot beggar, vagabond .

It's only offensive if you chose to make it so.I have to say I disagree. Some people are more sensitive to light than others but we wouldn't tell them, well you just let the light bother you. Same with certain sounds, some can't stand the sound of a fork scraping on teeth, while another person sitting right next to them wouldn't even notice it. Well I don't see how it's any different with words. We don't chose it, it just is to us. None of use said that it should be to any of you. I don't see the point in comments like that.

MMario
07-22-2008, 09:17 AM
pornography is usually a visual medium meant to stimuate the senses and desires of the viewer. As such, pictures of luxery yarns, knits, etc are very accurately titled "porn"

I know many people take offense at stitch n' bitch as they feel the title refers to the women who knit - though the term is at least 45 years old (and probably much older - my grandmother said it was in use during WWI though I can't verify that) and referrered to gathering to do needlecraft and the gossip/complaint sessions that went along with them.

Children need to learn that words can have many different meanings and in one usage can be perfectly acceptable and in others verboten.

stitchwitch
07-22-2008, 09:27 AM
.

It's only offensive if you chose to make it so.

Okie dokie.

Tropicflower24
07-22-2008, 10:58 AM
Children need to learn that words can have many different meanings and in one usage can be perfectly acceptable and in others verboten. Is this aimed towards me? ;)

Debkcs
07-22-2008, 11:02 AM
'Porn' just seems wrong. I don't stop at threads that have it in the title. Real porn is destructive to marriages and families, and gives the sickos of this world a boost.

'Stitch and Bitch' doesn't bother me so much. We sit and complain about stuff all the time, and you all know how that is referred to. I did get in trouble in the 5th grade for referring to a female dog as a bitch, sent to the principals office!

I'm probably the only person who's ever read her writings that doesn't like 'The Yarn Harlot'. Don't mind the title, just don't find her amusing,and it's odd, because I find 95% of life to have a lot of humor.

I'm glad that we can have a discussion on a subject like this without yelling and name calling.

GinnyG
07-22-2008, 11:24 AM
I have to say I disagree. Some people are more sensitive to light than others but we wouldn't tell them, well you just let the light bother you. Same with certain sounds, some can't stand the sound of a fork scraping on teeth, while another person sitting right next to them wouldn't even notice it. Well I don't see how it's any different with words. We don't chose it, it just is to us. None of use said that it should be to any of you. I don't see the point in comments like that.

One of the things that I dislike about the "quote" function" is that the person using it can edit what is being quoted. You have taken my quote out of context. In the previous paragraph I gave alternate meanings to the words in question. The point of the statement was that you can use the meaning of the word that is offensive, or not. The choice is yours.

For those who thanked the poster for blasting me, it appears you did not read my post either.

Words are not as important as the intent behind them.

MAmaDawn
07-22-2008, 11:47 AM
One of the things that I dislike about the "quote" function" is that the person using it can edit what is being quoted. You have taken my quote out of context. In the previous paragraph I gave alternate meanings to the words in question. The point of the statement was that you can use the meaning of the word that is offensive, or not. The choice is yours.

For those who thanked the poster for blasting me, it appears you did not read my post either.

Words are not as important as the intent behind them.

I'm sorry it upset you that I only quoted part of what you said. I copy and pasted the part of you post that I was referring to. I did not mean to upset you and I have changed it to have your entire post in the quotes.

I don't care how anyone uses some words they will be offensive to some people. It's not a choice as you make it seem.

For me it's the way I see the world.

You are telling me it's my fault and upset because I see it differently than you and your posts makes it sound like I should change.

Yet I didn't have the same attitude with you. I accept that you and others don't find it offensive. I never said anyone should stop using it or anything to the like.

I don't see what the point is of saying someone is wrong for how the feel about certain words.

Just because we see it different doesn't make it wrong as your post suggests.

MMario
07-22-2008, 12:07 PM
not at all.

I possibly should have said; "A place our educational system fails drastically is to teach children that some words have different meanings depending on context; and that usage in one instance can be perfectly acceptable whereas usage in another instance can be socially unacceptable; or that just because a word may have one meaning in a given context does not mean that it cannot or does not have acceptable usage in others." And I say "children" because that is when most of our behavior patterns are set.

GinnyG
07-22-2008, 12:08 PM
MAmadawn, What an absurd response. I will back out of this conversation before it becomes offensive.

My point simply was that you are assuming that the writer intended an offensive definition of the word, for all you know it could have been one of the other definitions. At no time did I say you were wrong so climb off the high horse.

Puddinpop
07-22-2008, 12:20 PM
Both names make me shake my head. So does the title Stitch and B--. I would feel a little uncomfortable having a book with that title without a book cover in front of my children. I keep thinking what has our culture come to for these to be used so casually. Even though I don't think they (authors, posters) mean anything by it, except that they are a "slave" to yarn and take great pleasure from it.


I know they don't mean anything by it but, it is offensive to me so, I just wouldn't buy it. I used to cuss and I'm not proud of it so now, I just don't like to hear it or read it. Anybody else relate?

Tropicflower24
07-22-2008, 12:20 PM
not at all.

I possibly should have said; "A place our educational system fails drastically is to teach children that some words have different meanings depending on context; and that usage in one instance can be perfectly acceptable whereas usage in another instance can be socially unacceptable; or that just because a word may have one meaning in a given context does not mean that it cannot or does not have acceptable usage in others." And I say "children" because that is when most of our behavior patterns are set.

yes it does. That's why I am homeschooled. ;) I have been taught this, and my parents/teachers have always been taught to look words up, cross referencing and using a theusarus as well. I am aware that the word has other meanings, as many words do. I'm just saying that in our society, those words are usually offensive, and I find them to be so.

BTW, thank you everyone for being so cool about this! It's awesome I can ask something like that and without flames. That is really neat. :)

Tropicflower24
07-22-2008, 12:21 PM
I know they don't mean anything by it but, it is offensive to me so, I just wouldn't buy it. I used to cuss and I'm not proud of it so now, I just don't like to hear it or read it. Anybody else relate?

That's really where I stand on it. :)

MMario
07-22-2008, 12:31 PM
I think part of it depends on where and when you first learn definitions for words. Several family friends were dog breeders; so the first and foremost definition of the word "bitch" in *my* mind is "breedable female dog".

What I find far more offensive then the use of crude, coarse or scatological language is the people who use "correct" speech to insult and slander; then, deny it because they haven't used any "bad" words.

Another factor is that these days terminology as to what is "acceptable" can change very quickly, and so can the definitions and primary usage of words. I am still trying to figure out when "disrespect" became a verb.

vaknitter
07-22-2008, 12:35 PM
While I don't necessarily find them to be offensive, I typically do not read posts that are "yarn porn", yarn harlot, or SEX (Stash Enhancement). I get that it is a play on words, but I disagree that there is a positive connotation to any of those phrases. Just out of curosity when people started talking about double meanings I looked the words up in Websters Dictionary and do not see any positive or alternative meaning to porn or harlot listed.

MMario
07-22-2008, 12:48 PM
which is where the ironic humour comes in. photographs of luscious yarn (aka "yarn porn") while perfectly harmless in some instances; probably most instances; can have harmful results. I can say that there have been times I have spent money I should not have because the photos tempted me beyond my limit of resistance. I have spent hours looking at pictures of yarn I can't afford and have no use for. And the only term in English for what it stimulates in my thoughts that I can compare it to is "lust".

No - it cannot truely be compared with sexual pornography; nor should it be;but (In my opinion) there is enough similarity to justify the use of the term. Opinions of course are going to vary.

MAmaDawn
07-22-2008, 01:38 PM
MAmadawn, What an absurd response. I will back out of this conversation before it becomes offensive.

My point simply was that you are assuming that the writer intended an offensive definition of the word, for all you know it could have been one of the other definitions. At no time did I say you were wrong so climb off the high horse.


I'm not assuming that the writer meant one way of the other. I'm saying how I see it, that's all. And you were saying I should see it that way, that it's wrong.

It's not right or wrong, just different.

MAmaDawn
07-22-2008, 01:42 PM
I know they don't mean anything by it but, it is offensive to me so, I just wouldn't buy it. I used to cuss and I'm not proud of it so now, I just don't like to hear it or read it. Anybody else relate?


Yes completely!

Jan in CA
07-22-2008, 02:22 PM
I had a feeling this thread would get hot the minute it was posted. :doh:

This is a topic we need to agree to disagree on. Let's keep it friendly or let it go. Thank you!

MAmaDawn
07-22-2008, 02:46 PM
Honestly this is what I was trying to say...

kellyh57
07-22-2008, 05:57 PM
I don't find Harlot offensive because I didn't know what the word meant until today. She could call herself much worse things!

As far as yarn p--- and S&B- not so much. Porn is a negative word and I don't like to compare yarn to such a nasty thing! I try my hardest not to swear and don't like to expose my kids to that so I don't read or buy anything with swearing on the cover. It may well be a great book, but I don't like to use that word nor think of myself as doing that.

I don't read any posts with those words in the title either. I remember a while back someone posting that they weren't allowed in a certain forum here and couldn't figure out why. Apparently, someone had used the P word in the title of a thread so her work computer was blocking her. As much SEX, P---, and that type of thing that are posted now, I can't imagine ever getting into these forums. I also feel for the children (yes, there are children here!) who have to explain to their parents that the p--- they are looking at isn't bad when it comes up on their monitor!

Kelly

Tropicflower24
07-22-2008, 06:05 PM
I know there are children on here. LOL ;)

redheadrachel
07-22-2008, 06:10 PM
I don't really like Stitch 'n B-, but Yarn Harlot is fine for me. And yarn porn is the BEST :) lol I love that name, though I'm not sure why! It's cute :)

ArtLady1981
07-22-2008, 06:16 PM
One thing for sure: the name catches our attention, and we aren't likely to forget it. I think that's what motivated her to chose the name.

Same goes for the title of the book: Stitch and Bitch.

It catches a person's eye as they glance across all the titles on the bookstore shelves...however, the name would NOT prompt me to pick it up. It would cause me to pass it over. But that's just me. Some folks would pick it up out of sheer curiosity. I think the name then serves the purpose...to be an eye-catcher. To be noticed. To get someone to pick it up.

I mean, here we are...giving them more attention! :teehee:

auntcrafty
07-22-2008, 06:38 PM
One thing for sure: the name catches our attention, and we aren't likely to forget it. I think that's what motivated her to chose the name.

Same goes for the title of the book: Stitch and Bitch.

It catches a person's eye as they glance across all the titles on the bookstore shelves...however, the name would NOT prompt me to pick it up. It would cause me to pass it over. But that's just me. Some folks would pick it up out of sheer curiosity. I think the name then serves the purpose...to be an eye-catcher. To be noticed. To get someone to pick it up.

I mean, here we are...giving them more attention! :teehee:

I agree -- I don't care for those names/titles and would be more likely to pass them over because of it.

linknit41
07-22-2008, 06:50 PM
i definitely relate to the use of the terms mentioned in the prior posts.to me it seems to indicate a lack of imagination and sensibility--i also agree that someone ,somewhere will find almostanything offensive.i have been reading the Knitting Mysteries and have noticed the language gets a little rougher in more recent books, and often wonder if it is a requirement for authors to use such words? thanks for thisdiscussion, very interesting. linknit41

Jan in CA
07-22-2008, 07:48 PM
Now see I'd be the one picking it up and saying "what the heck??" :teehee:

And I actually thought Yarn Harlot was rather clever. :shrug:

cristina61
07-22-2008, 11:44 PM
I've been a big fan of Stephanie Pearl-McPhee since I read Confessions of a Secret Knitter, and "Yarn Harlot" has never bothered me. I told my mom about her since my mom's been a knitter most of her life . . . but I admit I felt a little uncomfortable referring to Stephanie as "the Yarn Harlot" to my mom, who is on the conservative side.

But when Stephanie made a book tour appearance a couple of hours' drive from us, my mom agreed to go with me. We had a wonderful time and my mom laughed at every one of her stories. When Stephanie signed my book my mom chatted with her -- it was great!

I've never asked my mom how she feels about the term Yarn Harlot; I've never heard her use it, but I do know that she appreciates Stephanie's sense of humor.

I guess if these terms really disturb you, that's just how it is. I think it's too bad if they cause you to pass over something that may enlighten you or entertain you or make you smile. But that's your choice. As someone said earlier, to each her own.

Eekee
07-23-2008, 01:02 AM
I love the Yarn Harlot, and think the name suits her. She has a very self-depricating sense of humor, and I seriously doubt she expects people to be thinking of prostitution when they see her name. She's just a lady who really likes yarn. She's writen several times TO her stash, and also from her stash's point of view. And her stash thinks she's harlot!

Eekee
07-23-2008, 01:17 AM
I have to say I disagree. Some people are more sensitive to light than others but we wouldn't tell them, well you just let the light bother you. Same with certain sounds, some can't stand the sound of a fork scraping on teeth, while another person sitting right next to them wouldn't even notice it. Well I don't see how it's any different with words. We don't chose it, it just is to us. None of use said that it should be to any of you. I don't see the point in comments like that.

I have to disagree with this. There are seven physical senses that travel the nervous system, and people react very differently to them because of differences in our neural systems. However, the way you react emotionallyto a particular word is not the same as a physical reaction to stimulii. It's something you've got an opinion about, not a reflex.

Your opinion is different from mine, and that's fine. But your comparison doesn't make sense. People CAN control their opinions, and change them all the time.

redheadrachel
07-23-2008, 02:30 AM
I didn't think that the name Yarn Harlot was clever or not clever - I didn't realize it was supposed to be a play on words (and still don't...?!)
I'm just a little amused by it. *shrug*

KnittingNat
07-23-2008, 02:44 AM
I almost never read Yarn Harlot's blog and i think it's her choice to pick the name that she did. I have absolutely no problem with "yarn porn" or "SEX". I, personally, think that sex is a very natural thing and can't see a reason why would members disregard a thread with SEX in the title. Sex should be fun and enjoyable and so is yarn buying expeditions, that's why the term is used, IMHO. I think that 13 year old members here already are exposed to sex in much more violent and inappropriate ways in the TV and here is the most harmless way the word is used. As for "yarn porn" - as many have stated - looking at pretty fluffy yarn is fun and it definitely can be considered as "lust". I will not discuss real porn, because i'm not sure that i will be understood, so i just won't.

Limey
07-23-2008, 04:34 AM
Hi

Sorry but all this talk of the Yarn H**lot or should that be Har*** or maybe even Y***

(I dunno who's finding what offensive here, so I'm taking no chances)

had me heading over to this:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ptXjgnzkxv8

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fDp6rOg0AmM

I really enjoy this one (it's about knitting) even though it has the dread word "colourway" - I won't get into THAT, let's just say it chauves me

Go to bottom of page and click on link - takes a minute to download but well worth the wait ....

http://www.theanticraft.com/serendipity/index.php?/archives/124-Irish-Cottage-Knitting.html

All the Best

Ellie

Firey Vixxen
07-23-2008, 05:31 AM
I've recently gotten a Pattern Catalog with lots of yarn pics in it, and I sat for over half an hour drooling :drool: over the pics. I stopped because I felt too much of a guy (I definatly was NOT reading the articles ;) ). So to me yarn porn makes perfect sense.
And as pointed out, Sex of any kind is ment to be an enjoyable activity, even if it is acting as an acranim. it's not ment to be something offensive (Unless it's you walking in on your partner with another person with out your consent :violin: then it's offensive)
people keep taking NORMAL words and twisting them into something offensive. I had a conversation with my aunt in which I said "I think I'll get a male coz I don't really want another bitch." she got offended and she knew we were talking about rotties (Dogs).
Political correctness is getting WAY over the top.
If you don't like these terms, flick over and disreguard them. Use another term (SEEx) and see if it catches on. But you don't need to be offended because it is not intended to offend. However if someone calls you a b*tchy h*rlot, Stab 'em with your knitting needles.
FV

willowangel
07-23-2008, 05:36 AM
I don't find any of the terms offensive, and think particularly that 'yarn porn' is a fun way to describe the drooling over pretty things other people have. I don't have any particularly negative connotations for porn, though. I don't generally read the Harlot's blog, but when I do I think she's funny and sweet. There are things I find offensive on forums and even in this thread, but I get that they're my issues and choose to ignore them.

On the whole, I think the terms porn, SEX, harlot, bitch et al have done wonders for dragging knitting out of the 'grannies with nothing better to do' stereotype and made people feel more courageous about knitting in public or wherever. I think it's the language of revolution - you need to use highly emotive words to get people to sit up and take notice, and then those people can go do what they want with it, whether that's adopting those terms or something different altogether. But the shock value needs to be there first, to get the conversation started :-)

GinnyG
07-23-2008, 05:54 AM
Hi

Sorry but all this talk of the Yarn H**lot or should that be Har*** or maybe even Y***

(I dunno who's finding what offensive here, so I'm taking no chances)

had me heading over to this:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ptXjgnzkxv8

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fDp6rOg0AmM

I really enjoy this one (it's about knitting) even though it has the dread word "colourway" - I won't get into THAT, let's just say it chauves me

Go to bottom of page and click on link - takes a minute to download but well worth the wait ....

http://www.theanticraft.com/serendipity/index.php?/archives/124-Irish-Cottage-Knitting.html

All the Best

Ellie
:roflhard: :roflhard: :roflhard: :roflhard: :roflhard: :roflhard: :roflhard: :roflhard: :roflhard: :roflhard: :roflhard:
I vowed some pages back to remove myself from this conversation least the moral majority have me stoned and taken to the pillary but I gotta say these clips are a HOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for starting my day with a laugh.

How anyone can watch her and be offended is beyond me!!!!!!!!

I say lets stick to knitting chat and send this thread over to "Off Topic" discussions where it belongs, this surely has nothing to do with knitting.

tgwillis
07-23-2008, 09:01 AM
pornography is usually a visual medium meant to stimuate the senses and desires of the viewer. As such, pictures of luxery yarns, knits, etc are very accurately titled "porn"

I know many people take offense at stitch n' bitch as they feel the title refers to the women who knit - though the term is at least 45 years old (and probably much older - my grandmother said it was in use during WWI though I can't verify that) and referrered to gathering to do needlecraft and the gossip/complaint sessions that went along with them.

Children need to learn that words can have many different meanings and in one usage can be perfectly acceptable and in others verboten.

The word may have been in use during WWI but you wouldn't have seen it on the front of a book, or heard it used in every day language unless they were referring to a dog. Words do mean many different things and context is king.

stitchwitch
07-23-2008, 09:27 AM
I guess my view of it is like my husband's. He came up on me one day a year or so ago and saw the word porn on this site. He said to me "porn on a knitting site? What are you reading?!!". I explained to him that someone thought it was funny to name pictures of their stash porn. He asked me if they also name pictures of their kids kiddy porn and rolled his eyes. I guess some will think it's funny, witty or whatever. Some of us think it's stupid.

ritaw
07-23-2008, 11:45 AM
As with all debates , i think that this one is one that people will never agree on .
People have different beliefs and opinions on many things and this is no different .
For me personally it does not offend in anyway , infact it had not even crossed my mind until this thread went up .
These words are used in this context not as being vulgar in my mind . No malicious intent is meant .
Just my opinion
Happy knitting :knitting:

tarrentella
07-23-2008, 12:14 PM
i dont like the SEX thing, i can't remember what it stands for actually, but that is because it is often written in capitals and reminds me of some of the unsavoury spam that occasioanaly turns up in my mailbox.

'Yarn Porn' does not offend me. i think it is a funny way of describing some pictures of gorgeous yarn. some people will sit and drool at pictures of semi-naked pwomen/men. we sit and drool over pictures of gorgeous yarn. I can understand though that if you find all pornography indiscriminantly offensive that you may find the use of the word porn associated with yarn distastful though. However i dont so in turn i dont.

Yarn Harlot: the term doesn't offend me but i do find it tacky.

Stitch & Bitch: ok i swear like a sailor sometimes, i am also very aware of words having different usages and efinitions depending on contexts. I am also aware that there are people whos vocabularly may not be sufficient to know this (including but not limited to childeren) and there are those who despite being familiar with different usages, still do not like certain words. therefor i try and limit searing to certain situation, groups of people or int he case of ambiguous words, contexts (Bitch being a prime example).

I am not 100% comfortable with the word being used on books etc as it is perfectly readable by many people some of whom i may not be suitable for as i describes above. that particular word is becoming more acceptable as a simple advective or verb in modern language and is loosing some of it's offensiveness, but i am not sure that having it in bold type on book covers is yet truely apropriate.

MMario
07-23-2008, 12:16 PM
The word may have been in use during WWI but you wouldn't have seen it on the front of a book, or heard it used in every day language unless they were referring to a dog. Words do mean many different things and context is king.

I beg your pardon, I should have made it explicit I was referring to the entire PHRASE "Stitch and Bitch" which, according to my grandmother was in use during world war one. I *KNOW* the phrase was in reasonably common use during the late 1950's and early 1960's in New England; and in the '70's in NY state.

suzeeq
07-23-2008, 01:27 PM
The word may have been in use during WWI but you wouldn't have seen it on the front of a book, or heard it used in every day language unless they were referring to a dog. Words do mean many different things and context is king.

There's a lot of words that were hidden away and not in everyday language 80-100 years ago, even 30 years ago, that are commonplace today. In the Victorian era, piano legs were covered because they were legs, which were referred to as limbs because legs was considered an indecent word.

suzeeq
07-23-2008, 01:30 PM
I don't find Harlot offensive because I didn't know what the word meant until today.

When I was in high school I was repeating what a friend had said about one of the cheerleaders to my mother, and had to explain to her what a harlot was... or maybe the word was whore. But I was really surprised that she didn't know the word.

Limey
07-23-2008, 01:37 PM
Hi

You're very welcome, Ginny; I just thought a bit of daft, light relief might not be out of place here.

DISCLAIMER - NO OFFENCE INTENDED HERE (OR THERE)

I find it very ironic that someone who spends alot of her life making others laugh, should have, along with a couple of other things, been the cause of fur flying - especially as the thread was started by a self-proclaimed Space Cadet in the first place.:teehee:

All the Best

Ellie

GinnyG
07-23-2008, 01:46 PM
You are right Ellie!

Some don't seem to want to accept that words can have many meanings and just because your mind is in the gutter doesn't mean that is the way the writer intended it.

Here is an interesting definition of the word Harlot from Dictionary.com

[Middle English, vagabond, rogue, lecher, harlot, from Old French arlot, herlot, vagabond.]

har'lotĚry (-lə-trē) n.

Word History: The word harlot nowadays refers to a particular kind of woman, but interestingly it used to refer to a particular kind of man. The word is first recorded in English in a work written around the beginning of the 13th century, meaning "a man of no fixed occupation, vagabond, beggar," and soon afterwards meant "male lecher." Already in the 14th century it appears as a deprecatory word for a woman, though exactly how this meaning developed from the male sense is not clear. For a time the word could also refer to a juggler or jester of either sex, but by the close of the 17th century its usage referring to males had disappeared.

Jan in CA
07-23-2008, 02:12 PM
I would like to refer you all to the guidelines for the forum which is linked in my signature.

Several posts have references to others that are not kind and not necessary to the topic. As the guidelines state -

"In any forum community disagreements will arise. Please keep your disagreements respectful and courteous. Attacking another member's beliefs or putting down their beliefs will not be tolerated on KH."

Please keep your posts on topic and kind. Let's follow the 'if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all' rule we learned as kids. :hug:

bjc1050
07-23-2008, 02:13 PM
You all are not alone, I too find all 3 offensive....

And I agree po-- just doesn't even seem to fit with yarn even a little.

my $0.02

I agree, also. That's why I don't purchase books with such terms.

jheatherley
07-23-2008, 03:38 PM
Not particularly offensive, but certainly pretty stupid.

Shandeh
07-30-2008, 03:19 PM
I'm not comfortable with those terms. But, I think those words are chosen to appeal to the younger, more "cool & hip" generation of knitters. I think it's intended as a way to attract the younger crowd into the world of knitting.

As for me, I prefer patterns with classic and vintage styles, so the cool & hip stuff doesn't really interest me. I just ignore it.

cristina61
08-01-2008, 01:32 PM
I can't help finding a huge chunk of irony in the fact that some folks are offended by the term Yarn Harlot and yet Stephanie herself is a truly modest person. From her most recent post:

. . . my favourite qualities in a tank. I like high necklines and high armscye... wide straps to cover my bra straps (I've never adjusted to the idea that it's ok to show straps)

As I said before, to each her own; however, I think this indicates that she uses the term "harlot" in a playful and satirical way. It's not meant to offend (and satire has a very rich history in English literature, so I would hesitate to call it "stupid").