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crocee
11-26-2008, 01:13 AM
Do the knit and the Purl stitches look exactly the same if done alone?

I am just learning to knit, I am teaching myself by the videos on the site. So far I have made 2 squares, one in the knit stitch, and one in the purl stitch. I can not tell them apart. Are they supposed to look the same?

My next square will be knit one row, purl the next. Then I will try increasing and decreasing. making a square is the only way I can master the stitch.
Andi

Jan in CA
11-26-2008, 02:27 AM
If you knit both sides you get garter stitch and they do look the same on both sides. If you purl both sides you get the same thing.

If you knit one side and purl the other you'll get stockinette stitch.

Does that help?

crocee
11-26-2008, 02:46 AM
Thank you so much. I was getting frustrated thinking I was doing another squaer of knit stitches when I was supposed to be doing purl stitches.

I seem to be able to keep my tension more even when purling. The knit square is so tight. I have only been knitting for about 5 days over the past 2 weeks.
Andi

cftwo
11-26-2008, 10:33 AM
Give yourself time and practice to get the tension right. That's just one of those things which takes time.

Abbily
11-26-2008, 12:10 PM
Knit is the other side of purl, and purl is the other side of knit. :)

crocee
11-26-2008, 02:25 PM
These are my 2 squares, well 1 is a square and the other is a rectangle but they are both my first practice pieces. The small one is the knit stitch and the other is the purl stitch. I think my tension is getting much better and more even. Neither sample has been blocked yet. Please critique them if you would.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/majakdragon/knittingpractice.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/majakdragon/purlpractice.jpg

Jan in CA
11-26-2008, 02:42 PM
Yep, that is just garter stitch and they will look the same on both sides. You're doing fine so keep practicing!

Now try combining the knits and purls into the same project. Like k5, p5, k5, p5 or whatever combination you choose.

Important - Each stitch has two sides. One side is a knit and one side is purl...therefore the back of a knit stitch is a purl and the back of a purl is a knit. When you rib you "knit the knits and purl the purls" as they face you. That means when the work is turned and in your left hand ready to start again. If it looks smooth like a V it's a knit so you knit it. If it's bumpy it's a purl so you purl it.

nephthys8
11-26-2008, 02:49 PM
I think that, for your first swatches, they are pretty good!! :)

As others have said, you have to practice to get your tension right, but if you keep going, everything will start to look uniform and even. As a side note, it is fairly "normal" for your knit stitches (and thus, the square you did all in knit stitches) to be tighter than your purl stitches. Again, with practice, you will probably find a good, balanced tension between the two.

ETA: I made LOTS of squares when I was learning and, even though they don't end up being anything more than practice, I am SO glad that I did that. It really helped me learn how to identify my stitches and understand the "logic" of knitting.

crocee
11-26-2008, 03:04 PM
OK todays project is the K5, P5, K5, P5 that Jan suggested. Since I do the long tail CO the first row will already be knitted. Do I need to do another row of knit or just start the K&P pattern? I also knit Conti will this matter to the pattern?

Abbily
11-26-2008, 03:33 PM
Just start the pattern; and no, continental won't make any difference- it's just a different way to get to the same place. :)

Jan in CA
11-26-2008, 03:36 PM
OK todays project is the K5, P5, K5, P5 that Jan suggested. Since I do the long tail CO the first row will already be knitted. Do I need to do another row of knit or just start the K&P pattern? I also knit Conti will this matter to the pattern?

Continental is just one way to knit, it makes no difference in a pattern.

Most people do not consider the CO the first row even if they use long tail.

Just cast on a multiple of 10 if you want to do the k5, p5 rib. That way it'll come out even on the end. Although it really doesn't matter for practice it's good to know. So here you go...

CO 30
1. k5, p5 across

I'm not going to tell you what comes after you turn.. really look at the stitches and learn what they look like like I showed in the sample. Remember that to rib you "knit the knits and purl the purls." Come back if you need more help. :thumbsup:

crocee
11-26-2008, 04:46 PM
OK This is a first for 2 things. 1, this will be the first time I have used more than 1 stitch type, and 2, it will be the first time I have actually had to count. I count the number of loops I have on the needle to keep them the same with each row. Now I have to count each stitch to know hen to change.
Andi

crocee
11-26-2008, 05:45 PM
OK this is not working out very well. I got the 5 knit stitches on the needle without a hitch. When I try to purl the next 5 is where the trouble starts.
The way I am knitting, the knit stitch has the yarn on the back of the needle, the purl stitch has the yarn in the front of the needle. I am following Amy's video exactly for conti method and am a lefty, but this yarn placement is causing me a lot of trouble and frustration. I have frogged the first 10 stitches so many times my yarn is looking frazzled. What am I doing wrong?


ETA: I think I figured it out. At least now the yarn is where its supposed to be in its placement for each type of stitch.

Jan in CA
11-26-2008, 08:18 PM
Yes, the yarn is in front for purls whether you are conti or not. You can count the stitches for each section. If you learn what the stitches look like then it's really much easier, too. Here's a site that also has good pictures if you need more help with stitches. Sometimes it helps when you get two or more explanations.
http://www.community.knitpicks.com/notes

crocee
11-26-2008, 08:35 PM
Yes after I got the yarn placement figured out, I have been happily knitting along smoothly, albeit slowly.
Andi

crocee
11-26-2008, 10:21 PM
I think there a mistake in here as it doesn't look right. I am thinking I lost count somewhere or flipped my pattern. I know its flipped at the bottom, its the top I am referring to. I hope you can see what I am talking about.
Andi

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/majakdragon/ribs.jpg

suzeeq
11-26-2008, 11:05 PM
The bottom 3 ribs or sections are fine. Then you purled when you should have knit. So just un-knit 15 sts and you'll be back on track.

crocee
11-26-2008, 11:09 PM
Un-knitting is a whole lot harder than knitting. I frogged the whole thing and started it over. The needle would not go back into the stitches as it was supposed to. This is a learning session so I don't mind frogging as long as I learn how to do the pattern

Jan in CA
11-26-2008, 11:19 PM
You did it! Good for you! Making mistakes is a part of knitting so don't worry about it.

Learn how to tink (unknit) and when it's only a few stitches or rows you don't have to frog.
http://www.knitty.com/ISSUEwinter03/FEATwin03TT.html

crocee
11-26-2008, 11:36 PM
Thanks guys(gals):woohoo:

I think I know what I did wrong. Knitting is usually a quiet craft to be done in a quiet area. My house is NEVER quiet! There is always a dog barking, a cat meowing, a TV blaring, and a DH who is doing what DH's do best (annoying one who is trying to concentrate). My train of thought is always derailing. I noticed I would sometimes wrap the yarn over when doing the knit and sometimes I would wrap it under. I have to remember to do it ONE way or the other and not both. I think this is why the needle would not go back in correctly. The re-do is going much smoother and quicker. I am counting each stitch and DH is laughing. He says my mouth is moving faster than my hands and wants to know who I am talking to. I just look at him and say "the knit fairy is helping me and I am talking to her"
Andi

suzeeq
11-26-2008, 11:49 PM
Yep, when you wrap the yarn over the needle to the back (instead of under and to the front) it makes the stitches tighter on the next row. Good for you for not giving up and sticking with it. Once you've done something a bit it does go better and gets easier. I like the idea of the knitting fairy... we all need one to help us sometimes. :teehee:

crocee
11-27-2008, 12:10 AM
I have been told I have the paitence of a saint as I do not give up until forced to, someone usally takes it away. I keep plugging away until I get it right.
Andi

crocee
11-27-2008, 01:02 AM
:woohoo: I got it all put back together:woohoo: . It really looks a lot better. The knit fairy was sitting on my shoulder keeping my train on the right track. It took a while but when learning slow is a good thing. I think I have the knit and purl down now. I don't think I have enough of this partial skein to make a full size scarf but I will make it as long as I can. Frogging was a very good thing tonight. If I had kept going I don't think I would have learned to do it correctly.
Andi

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/majakdragon/correctedribs.jpg

suzeeq
11-27-2008, 10:08 AM
Yay! Very good Andi.

Jan in CA
11-27-2008, 12:55 PM
Wow, that looks awesome, Andi! You have learned the basic stitches for knitting and can put them together!

crocee
11-27-2008, 01:20 PM
I am pretty happy about it. Just think, 2 weeks ago I could not even cast the stitches on the needle. We hare having Thanksgiving with my Mother and Daughter today. I will get to show off my new found skills. My mother wants me to teach her the long tail cast on. I might be able to teach my daughter how to do the ribbing but it will be a challenge, shes a righty. I am thinking of having her watch the videos just like I did.

This just goes to show, anyone can learn to knit, at any age. Learn from the mistakes and don't let them get you down. Keep plugging away until you get it mastered. It may not happen over night, but it will happen.
Andi

suzeeq
11-27-2008, 01:47 PM
Whether the yarn is held in the right hand or the left hand, the yarn is wrapped around the needle the same way. You just use different hand motions to do it, I think.

Jan in CA
11-27-2008, 02:01 PM
Yep, Sue is right. The difference between english and continental is only which hand you hold the working yarn. You may pick up the yarn differently, but it's really only a method of knitting. If you need to show her the videos for english knitting.

True left handed knitting is when you completely reverse the way you hold the needles. The left needle would be the empty one and the right is the one with the stitches.