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Arielluria
06-25-2009, 12:35 PM
I know nothing about snakes, but I do know my husband is crazy. These were vipers he caught alive, help ID these?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2017/2459720322_4c3286436c.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/184/468465569_8b165e508a.jpg?v=0

knitpurlgurl
06-25-2009, 02:52 PM
I have no idea - but they sort of look like this snake (http://www.wildlifenorthamerica.com/Reptile/Texas-Lyre-Snake/Trimorphodon/biscutatus-vilkinsonii.html).

Arielluria
06-25-2009, 03:04 PM
Thanks, that DOES look like it. :hug:

Knitting_Guy
06-25-2009, 03:17 PM
Looks a lot like a rat snake. They're harmless.

Arielluria
06-25-2009, 03:24 PM
It had fangs though:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/215/468465591_b483c0986d.jpg?v=0

Mike
06-25-2009, 03:59 PM
The pattern, head shape and color looks like copperhead to me.
http://www.copperhead-snake.com/

mwhite
06-25-2009, 04:10 PM
The pattern, head shape and color looks like copperhead to me.
http://www.copperhead-snake.com/

I agree! And for the record.....:ick: :passedout:

Walked into my office yesterday to fix a cup of coffee and there was a little bitty baby pigmy rattlesnake by the desk! Pitter patter and yikes!!!! Everyone laughed at me but the little bitty ones have no control over the venom disbursement when they bite!

mwhite
06-25-2009, 04:11 PM
It had fangs though:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/215/468465591_b483c0986d.jpg?v=0

Doesn't look harmless to me!!!

bjc1050
06-25-2009, 04:44 PM
Doesn't look harmless to me!!!
Doesn't look harmless to me, either. That arrow shaped head looks like a poisonous species...quite possibly a copperhead.
Tell your DH to be VERY careful with it.
Beverly

evona
06-25-2009, 04:46 PM
I think it looks like a rat snake too:

http://www.texassnakes.net/JuvRat.htm

evona
06-25-2009, 04:48 PM
Oh - and here's a link to Texas snakes I found. Don't know how in depth it is:

http://www.texassnakes.net/pictures.html

lulubell
06-25-2009, 04:54 PM
Oh My Gosh!!! Those pictures send shivers down my spine! We do not have ANY snakes here at all. I don't think I could do any gardening knowing something like THAT was lurking in the undergrowth.

evona
06-25-2009, 05:00 PM
ok - so here is a picture of a Trans-Pecos Copperhead common in Texas
http://www.zo.utexas.edu/research/txherps/snakes/agkistrodon.contortrix.html

If you notice the bands go all the way around, whereas the snake you show doesn't really have bands at all - more patches. I do think its a rat snake; however, if it were me I would have left it alone - better safe than sorry :)

I live in Southern California and rattlesnakes are rally common - big uns!!! I've seen them quite often and give them wide berth. Haven't found them in my yard yet - thank God - but as it gets hotter I am expecting them as I now live up in the hills amongst all the rocks.

Mike
06-25-2009, 11:48 PM
evona,
Do rat snakes have fangs?

Knitting_Guy
06-25-2009, 11:55 PM
Do rat snakes have fangs?

Yes, most do. Some are even known to have venom although it's not powerful enough to be harmful to humans.

I've been bitten twice by copperheads and so have more than a passing familiarity with them. While the full body pics aren't quite good enough for positive identification (too far away), I am almost positive that it isn't a copperhead. Looks far more like the rat snake family to me.

Mike
06-26-2009, 12:03 AM
The color bands look just like these to me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Southern_copperhead.jpg

saracidaltendencies
06-26-2009, 01:28 AM
It had fangs though:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/215/468465591_b483c0986d.jpg?v=0


Ok, I just have to comment on that pic! The depth of field is great and the color, clarity and overall quality is just wow! What kind of camera do you have?? Totally OT, sorry...lol

Mike
06-26-2009, 07:54 AM
"A Rat Snake has round pupils in it's eyes, unlike the elliptical, "cat's eye" pupils of the Copperhead."
http://hubpages.com/hub/Rat-Snake-or-Copperhead--How-To-Tell-the-Difference

Look at the closeup of the eye in the fang picture. It's a copperhead.

sabrinasmom
06-26-2009, 08:15 AM
I just know it's one of those I do not like- a live one!!:teehee:

Arielluria
06-26-2009, 11:14 AM
Demonica, the camera is a digital Canon EOS20. I'm still getting the hang of it, so when I do get a good pic like that it's pure luck. ;)

Arielluria
06-26-2009, 11:26 AM
"A Rat Snake has round pupils in it's eyes, unlike the elliptical, "cat's eye" pupils of the Copperhead."
http://hubpages.com/hub/Rat-Snake-or-Copperhead--How-To-Tell-the-Difference

Look at the closeup of the eye in the fang picture. It's a copperhead.I think perhaps since it was a pretty young snake, (I think copperhead too), perhaps the 'patches' would have grown into those bands on the mature copperheads. The eyes to seem to point to copperhead as your link says.

I freaked out the first time I saw a snake out here in the country and was ready to move back to the city, same thing happened first time I was stung by a scorpion...........BUT I have come to appreciate the snakes, because in 6 years I have yet to see 1 rat around here! Also, we have hawks which keep the snake population down, I saw one swoop down and grab one off the lawn once. It's important to keep an eye out for where they might be warming up their cold blooded selves. At nighttime I have seen them on concrete [residual heat from the day], and in the morning they come out from under the rocks or mulch (also warming up). Also important to check under garbage cans before moving them, as they like to hang out down there to catch rats.

OffJumpsJack
06-26-2009, 11:54 AM
I know nothing about snakes, but I do know my husband is crazy. These were vipers he caught alive, help ID these?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/184/468465569_8b165e508a.jpg?v=0

Looks like a copperhead to me also.
(more: http://www.wildlifenorthamerica.com/Reptile/Southern-Copperhead/Agkistrodon/contortrix-contortrix.html )

Arielluria
06-26-2009, 12:16 PM
One last word on snakes..........you're never too old to freak your mother out :teehee: .......This is just a harmless albino Boa that I saw at a flea market. Freaked her out that I was just standing nearby, then the gal put it around my neck. Well, the expression on mom's face is priceless!!!!!!!!!!

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_se6lXbyWrW8/SkT0C-8I3CI/AAAAAAAAC2Y/4DSa3NL9gg4/s512/Snakewallpapercollage.jpg

saracidaltendencies
06-26-2009, 12:42 PM
Demonica, the camera is a digital Canon EOS20. I'm still getting the hang of it, so when I do get a good pic like that it's pure luck. ;)


Nice! I currently have a Canon Powershot but would love to upgrade in the near future!

Ok, back to the topic at hand...lol

MoniDew
06-26-2009, 02:29 PM
we have copperheads all over the place out here in Oklahoma. Sure looks like one to me....
Used to have to keep my boys from picking them up, dragging them around. The smaller the snake, the more dangerous, as others have said. Be VERY careful playing with those!!!

Arielluria
06-26-2009, 02:33 PM
Nice! I currently have a Canon Powershot but would love to upgrade in the near future!

Ok, back to the topic at hand...lol;) BTW, it's a 20D

Arielluria
06-26-2009, 03:08 PM
I've been bitten twice by copperheads
:passedout:

jheatherley
06-26-2009, 07:47 PM
I googled both rat snake and copperhead, and that creature your husband is holding bears no resemblance to any rat snake photo that came up, but does look an awful lot like a copperhead.

Sknitter56
06-27-2009, 08:41 PM
I'm in Georgia and I know copperheads...and that definitely is a copperhead...one of the worse snake bites you could have. Trust me...I used to work for a group of surgeons and the worst snake bites they treated were from copperheads. Numerous skin grafts and a real risk of death. Be very careful!

Knitting_Guy
06-27-2009, 10:40 PM
"A Rat Snake has round pupils in it's eyes, unlike the elliptical, "cat's eye" pupils of the Copperhead."
http://hubpages.com/hub/Rat-Snake-or-Copperhead--How-To-Tell-the-Difference

Look at the closeup of the eye in the fang picture. It's a copperhead.

I disagree. Doesn't look like a copperhead to me. Markings are wrong and the close up pic just doesn't show the eyes well enough to make that call.

saracidaltendencies
06-27-2009, 11:10 PM
From looking around at various pictures of copperheads and rat snakes, the snake pic posted in this thread honestly, to me, looks more like a copperhead than rat snake. Especially after looking at THIS (http://www.agfc.com/%21userfiles/int_images/snakes/copperhead_big.jpg) picture of a copperhead, and THIS (http://www.discoveringalabama.org/discovery/images/image-1147874748.jpg) picture of a rat snake. Look at the difference in the eyes of the two snakes. The picture of copperhead I linked to looks most like the close-up pic Arielluria posted of the snake her hubby is holding. But, I'm not by any means a snake pro...lol...I know there's a site this one guy has (I think he calls himself the bug man or something like that) where you can submit pics of bugs you find and he'll try to identify them for you, maybe there's a similar site that deals with snakes you could submit the pics to?

Mike
06-27-2009, 11:41 PM
I disagree. Doesn't look like a copperhead to me. Markings are wrong and the close up pic just doesn't show the eyes well enough to make that call.

Maybe that's why you've been bit, you need to get too close to ID :rofl:

The markings are exactly like the southern copperhead I gave the link to (and Demonica linked to). The eye picture shows enough to see the pupils are slits and not round.
Short of counting scales you can't get much more of an ID.

rachael72knitter
06-28-2009, 11:41 AM
Well I figured by the shape of the head that it was some type of viper snake. I live in TX and we are constantly finding snakes in our area, and have come across water moccasins and copperheads. I definitely agree that being a baby, it can be difficult to judge by the bands. I dunno, looks like a copperhead to me. If it is poisonous I have my husband kill them, if not, I leave them be. Don't need the rat and mice polpulation going up.

Knitting_Guy
06-28-2009, 09:16 PM
Maybe that's why you've been bit, you need to get too close to ID .

:roflhard::roflhard:

Could be.

I've always found it far easier to ID these sorts of things in person than from a photo, and as such, it could well be a copperhead. The ones I've seen in person were all in the Eastern US, mostly in WV (where I was bitten) and I know snakes have many sub-species that vary with region. The snake in the photo bears little resemblance to any copperhead I have ever seen in person, but I suppose that doesn't mean it can't be one. After looking at pics of the Southern sub-species of copperheads it does resemble one, although the markings still don't appear to quite match up to me.

If they are copperheads, and you see more than one, hire someone to find and exterminate the nest. Those things breed in large numbers and can be very dangerous, especially to small children and pets.

stisdale
06-28-2009, 10:43 PM
Ok ok no one seems to be asking the fundamental question here... what did your husband do with the snake after you guys took the pictures???

GinnyG
06-29-2009, 12:10 PM
Looks to me like a "YOU OUGHTA STAY AWAY FROM IT" snake!!

I've tried since last week not to look at this thread, couldn't resist it today...... I HATE SNAKES.

cacunn
06-29-2009, 12:26 PM
I HATE SNAKES.

But they taste just like chicken. :roflhard:

Arielluria
06-29-2009, 12:30 PM
Ok ok no one seems to be asking the fundamental question here... what did your husband do with the snake after you guys took the pictures???;) Ahhhh, I was wondering when someone was going to ask that! :teehee:

Yes, he did kill the 3 venomous snakes he's caught alive.......AFTER freaking me out and after taking the pics. Our small dogs are our babies and we dont' want anything around to hurt them. I don't encourage him to do this, it's crazy, but he likes to say "I'm not Steve Irwin, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night"........of course Irwin's dead now. :shock:

Sunshine's Mom
06-29-2009, 03:12 PM
[ "I'm not Steve Irwin, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night"........:[/QUOTE]

:roflhard:

bjc1050
06-29-2009, 04:12 PM
I freaked out the first time I saw a snake out here in the country and was ready to move back to the city,

When we move to the boonies of WV, it took me over a year to lose my fear of even stepping out into our yard - DAY or NIGHT. You could hear rattlesnake somewhere in the surrounding woods. Fortunately, the only snakes I ever encountered close up were red bellies or ring neck babies. I got a couple of good books about the snakes of WV and that helped me get over my fear. My biggest concern in later years was for the safety of our 3 dogs who liked to take strolls thru the woods.

I know that at least one snake was living in the rock bed about 30 feet from our back door. All I ever saw of it was its head. It never came out completely so I could identify it.

The close-up of Arellia's snake showed the swollen venom glands. That's why I believe it is a copperhead.

Beverly

evona
06-30-2009, 12:00 AM
Well - like I said before, no matter what kind of snake you should probably stay away. The only snakes I've actually seen enough to identify without a doubt are garter snakes and rattle snakes. We have a bunch of rattle snakes out here and being as I do habitat work in the wilderness I see them often and we have to be very careful of them. One of the other volunteers got bitten by a rattle snake while out on a backpacking trip. He had no choice but to keep hiking out. When he reached an area where he can call 911 they sent in a helicopter and sent him to the nearest hospital. Thankfully - and I do mean thankfully because I think his story is rare - he has suffered no permanent ill effects from the bite.

Arielluria
07-07-2009, 04:29 PM
My mom had a friend in her 80's who was bitten by a rattlesnake, her foot turned black and swelled up like a balloon. The funny part of the story though is that she had the presence of mind to hunt down the snake, and drive herself to the emergency room!!!!!!!! I would have probably just fainted dead away. That's one tough Texas mama! :teehee:

cattitude
07-11-2009, 08:54 PM
Don't handle snakes -- because they may be poisonous. This one is.

This is DEFINITELY a COPPERHEAD.

Juvenile rat snakes have a similar pattern but they are black gray and white.

DON'T HANDLE SNAKES!

Arielluria
07-13-2009, 10:26 AM
I've also read (I wanted to add) that handling a youngster like this isn't necessarily that much less dangerous, they apparently have just as much venom as a full-grown.......enough to kill.
:passedout: