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Christinechrstms1
06-11-2012, 02:21 AM
Hi all, when I said I cast on all 180 stitches using Knitting On Method without trouble I spoke too soon. I am not sure if it was the method or the fact that I cast on way too tight but I had a very hard time trying to knit and purl. The new row was a mess so I had to unravel it and start again. I finally decided to go with the long tail cast on as it doesn't seem to give me any problems other than usually being too short and having to start over or too long that I have to cut yarn.
Because it seemed very tight, I cast on with one size bigger needles. I ended up finally getting all 180 stitches just right with stitch markers correctly placed so that I would know where in the round I was. The only problem was my tail was a metre long. My husband was in talking to me while I was doing this and when I went to cut the tail I mistakenly cut both the working yarn and the tail! This was now into my third hour and third or fourth unravel. My husband asked if I could just join the yarn so I decided rather than start over I will give this a shot and weave it in well. I wasn't feeling comfortable about this though. I joined yarn before without problem but never just one row into the pattern. I thought I would just do a row or 2 to see how it held up. It seemed pretty good at first until I noticed that once I was was a quarter way into the second round it started to look like it would be a seed stitch instead of ribbing. I carefully reviewed each and every stitch and found that in the first quarter of the first row I goofed and did a knit stitch twice. I am going to unravel later in the afternoon and start over closing my door to the bedroom as I kept getting side tracked by the cat, the dog, my daughter and my husband. I should have just stopped everything as I definitely can't seem to focus when other conversations and things are going on. When I get to knitting the 9 inches of stockinette stitch then I would be fine with the distractions and interruptions. I am wondering though, would just joining the working yarn have been fine had I continued? I joined yarn before when I ran out of the roll but that was in the middle of a scarf. Not the first row of a tank top.

I am also wondering if Knitting On cast on method would work for me if I cast on using one size bigger needle and then to start the row with the needle I intend to use?

salmonmac
06-11-2012, 05:40 AM
You can join a new strand of yarn even in the second row. The new end will get woven into the ribbing or into the seam. Using a larger needle for knitted cast on may help but don't pull the yarn so tightly. You can cast on too tightly on the larger needle and that won't help.
For longtail CO, you can estimate how much yarn you'll need by casting on 10sts, ripping it out, measuring how much yarn it took and scaling up to the number of sts you need.
It's easy to make simple mistakes when there's a lot going on around you. It may help to repeat the pattern mantra, k1, p1 across the row. The good thing is that you looked at your knitting and caught the mistake early. That's a very important to do.

Ingrid
06-11-2012, 06:25 AM
I've been knitting a long time, and I still seem to restart many projects. It's almost as if I have to get comfortable with it before I can move forward.

I always prefer to use long-tail cast on, and when I have to cast on a lot of stitches (some times upwards of 350) I use 2 balls of yarn, one for each strand. I make a slip knot with the two and count it as my first stitch and then separate the two strands on my hand for the cast on.

If I don't use two balls, I always overestimate how much yarn to give to the tail on purpose so I don't run out. I'd rather waste a few feet of yarn than have to worry about running out. Then I have to make sure I don't start knitting with the tail :shifty:.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that knitting is not an exact science--it lends itself to flexibility and fudging when necessary. The mistake that glares at you isn't necessarily noticeable to anyone else.

If you need to cast on in the bathroom with the door locked, then do it. It'll give you the peace of mind that you at least got off to a good start.:thumbsup:

suzeeq
06-11-2012, 08:46 AM
Yes you can do the knit CO with a larger needle,it'll be more effective with that CO than with LT anyway. Since you cut the yarn already, you'll have 2 ends to try the LT with 2 ends of yarn. Just knot them together, don't count that as a stitch and begin the LT using the shorter end as the tail. Don't cut anything until you've knit a few sts so the working yarn is further away from the tail yarn and you can tell which is which.

Doing the first row of a stitch pattern is always tricky whether it's ribbing or lace; there's no foundation to follow, you're setting it up, so it's very easy to get off. But we all keep trying until we get it right.

Wanda Witch
06-11-2012, 11:19 AM
I believe anyone who has knit any length of time has encountered the same problem(s) you describe. I agree with Ingrid using two different balls of yarn is the easiest (I had to learn the hard way too) is best when casting on a large number of stitches. There is nothing more aggravating than to be short and out of the need to be 'perfect' start over. Also, the markers are a blessing in keeping count of stitches when there are a lot to contend with.

I have to admire those who can knit, talk, watch TV and still not mess up. Maybe I could do this when I was young but no longer so when I am beginning a new project, casting on, knitting a new pattern and the like I really need no distractions from anything.

Knitting the first row in-the-round really takes some concentration in order not to twist those c/o stitches, and with the ribbing pattern your concentration is a must. So, put up the No Trespassing, Quiet, Woman at Work sign and try again. :knitting:

ArtLady1981
06-11-2012, 02:07 PM
I struggle with the tension for casting on except with longtail. Longtail is my friend! It's a good idea that some suggested about using two balls of yarn for a HUMONGOUS cast on. I recently started the PINNATE cardigan, and since the body is knit in one piece up to the armhole shaping, I had to cast on 280 stitches! Gah!

I always use stitch markers for every 10 stitches when casting on anything over 20. Who wants to be endlessly counting and recounting...only to miscount in the end! And besides using the stitch markers...after everything is cast on...I still don't trust it...and I count each stitch between each marker one more time...just to be sure. Oy vey!

I agree with others who mentioned using a needle one size larger for the cast on needle...but don't forget to change it back when you knit Row 1. Been there, didn't do that! :pout:

suzeeq
06-11-2012, 04:19 PM
I don't count as I go, THAT would drive me bonkers. Instead, I CO a whole bunch, count that, place a marker at 100 or 150 or 200, then keep going if I need more, keeping in mind where I placed the marker. Then I just need to count from the last marker, and/or place another one 50 from that, to whatever number I need.

Jan in CA
06-11-2012, 05:55 PM
In your other post about casting on I explained and gave you a link for using two different skeins or the beginning and end of the same skein for doing long tail w/o running out of yarn. Try it. It's brilliant and long tail is pretty stretchy.

I use stitch markers every 50 for casting on a lot of stitches. I always check several times to make sure I've got it right, too.

Christinechrstms1
06-12-2012, 03:27 PM
I clicked on one link but all that came up was a happy face icon in the middle of a black screen. I am wondering if the page is gone.

Jan in CA
06-12-2012, 05:48 PM
Oh that's weird. Well, just make a slip stitch or a knot with the two yarns. Then spit them and put one yarn over your index finger and one over your thumb just like a normal long tail. The knot will be in the center between your thumb and index. From there you cast on normally. Does that make sense?

cindylou
06-12-2012, 05:56 PM
I always prefer to use long-tail cast on, and when I have to cast on a lot of stitches (some times upwards of 350) I use 2 balls of yarn, one for each strand. I make a slip knot with the two and count it as my first stitch and then separate the two strands on my hand for the cast on.


I just learned something else from this wonderful group!

Christinechrstms1
06-12-2012, 06:07 PM
I think I will have to search for another video

suzeeq
06-12-2012, 06:18 PM
Look for CO videos at YouTube by oftroy, or she may go by Helen. I know she's got one for casting on with 2 separate strands.

Jan in CA
06-12-2012, 08:02 PM
This one seems to be best explained to me -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_RY5gILiZE

But here's some more in case you need them -
http://www.ehow.com/video_4976531_advanced-knitting-long-tail-cast.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkjKak6Bx1o

Christinechrstms1
06-12-2012, 09:10 PM
perfect! I will try that. I am going to start this project once again being extra careful!

Christinechrstms1
06-13-2012, 01:48 AM
Yeah, I am well on my way and have an inch and 1/2 ribbing done. Thanks everyone for all the help!

Jan in CA
06-13-2012, 01:49 PM
Oh good! Did you try the two skein long tail?

Christinechrstms1
06-13-2012, 05:08 PM
yes I did and it worked beautifully, thanks so much!

lovekittycats1965
06-28-2012, 06:06 PM
"other than usually being too short and having to start over or too long that I have to cut yarn."

i used to have that problem too until DUH! an idea occurred to me one day. just wrap the yarn around the needle the number of stitches you need to cast on....then add a bit for the tail and that's where you make your slipnot.

It hasn't failed me yet :)

fyi - did you know you can do long tail in purl as well? Once I learned that I started my hats with a k2p2 long tail cast on which matches my ribbing.