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Lindsey H
11-14-2006, 08:06 AM
I just feel compelled this morning to remind everyone to careful when you are out shopping. A 25 yo woman was killed at an nice local shopping center on Monday. Apparently, there was nothing she could have done as she was shot in the back. The police did catch the creep and he is where he belongs. This is the second incident in a month. The first victim survived.
Anyway, I don't want to be a downer but please be careful.

losnana
11-14-2006, 12:44 PM
Thanks Lindsey H. I heard that on the news this morning. Scary, huh? And she ws a newly-wed too! How sad!

MrTea
11-14-2006, 12:47 PM
I just feel compelled this morning to remind everyone to careful when you are out shopping. A 25 yo woman was killed at an nice local shopping center on Monday. Apparently, there was nothing she could have done as she was shot in the back. The police did catch the creep and he is where he belongs. This is the second incident in a month. The first victim survived.
Anyway, I don't want to be a downer but please be careful.

WHAT!!? Shot in the back! Dear lord!

What happened exactly? Just shot her for no apperant reason?

Maybe it's the year to give handguns as gifts.



The police did catch the creep and he is where he belongs.


You mean, the afterlife? or Jail?

nonny2t
11-14-2006, 12:56 PM
Listen, there is nothing you buy, make, or have that is worth your life. I know in this situation, it was different, but if some idiot wants your shopping, let the dirt bag have it!

Here are some tips:

If it is dark, walk to your car with a crowd if there is not security that can escort you.


Do not get into your car, van or suv without checking to make sure it is empty

carry your keys point out between your index and second finger. If someone tries to grab you, stab them with the key

Do not open your car with your key fob until you are close enough to get into it

Do not stand with your face forward into your trunk so that your vision is blocked. Stand partly sideways and keep looking behind you and to the side.

Unlock the car, throw in your purse and relock it then put gifts into the trunk.

Most of all, as you walk do not get distracted. Predators, and thieves look for women who seem to have their mind on something else. They are the easiest to attack. As you walk to your car, keep looking side to side, make eye with anyone you pass (thieves don't like people to get a good look at them) Just always be aware of your surroundings.

janelanespaintbrush
11-14-2006, 01:04 PM
I do most of my holiday shopping online. It fits my lazy lifestyle, saves fuel, eliminates the frustration of being among other impatient shoppers and finding a @#!! parking space, and keeps delivery people employed. (Most of my relatives live out of town anyway.) I guess I can add avoid getting shot to the list now. Ain't life grand?

MrTea
11-14-2006, 01:18 PM
carry your keys point out between your index and second finger. If someone tries to grab you, stab them with the key


Stabbing an attacker just anywhere will not do much good. You must stab them in the eye and hard. I know it's gross to imagine, but it works. You have to stop the attacker, stabbing him in the arm with a key won't help you.

Also, a sharp blow to the Adams apple will generally drop any man. Follow that with a swift kick to the groin and you should have enough time to get away.

Another thing, a loud shriek or "warcry" while delivering your blow, will startle the attacker and your blow will be less likely to be blocked and more likely to hit it's target. It will also increase the force of your blow. This is the same philosophy behind the noises the karate guys make when they practice their moves.

Forget the Mace as it may not have any effect and it can just as easily blow in your own face.

MrTea
11-14-2006, 01:23 PM
Most of all, as you walk do not get distracted. Predators, and thieves look for women who seem to have their mind on something else. They are the easiest to attack. As you walk to your car, keep looking side to side, make eye with anyone you pass (thieves don't like people to get a good look at them) Just always be aware of your surroundings.

Yes, making eye contact is very important as well. Preditors attack those who appear weak and/or distracted. Stand up streight and walk with confidence. Hang up the dang cell phone, when prudent to do so.

Stiney
11-14-2006, 01:27 PM
carry your keys point out between your index and second finger. If someone tries to grab you, stab them with the key


Stabbing an attacker just anywhere will not do much good. You must stab them in the eye and hard. I know it's gross to imagine, but it works. You have to stop the attacker, stabbing him in the arm with a key won't help you.

Also, a sharp blow to the Adams apple will generally drop any man. Follow that with a swift kick to the groin and you should have enough time to get away.

Forget the Mace as it may not have any effect and it can just as easily blow in your own face.

And by "stab" with the key, that means punch as hard as you can, just like you would if there was no key there.

And if the man has a gun, you give him EVERYTHING. My tae kwon do instruct taught us how to disarm a man with a knife, but even he said if a man mugs him with a gun, the mugger is getting whatever he wants. Do NOT mess with a gun.

MrTea
11-14-2006, 01:37 PM
carry your keys point out between your index and second finger. If someone tries to grab you, stab them with the key


Stabbing an attacker just anywhere will not do much good. You must stab them in the eye and hard. I know it's gross to imagine, but it works. You have to stop the attacker, stabbing him in the arm with a key won't help you.

Also, a sharp blow to the Adams apple will generally drop any man. Follow that with a swift kick to the groin and you should have enough time to get away.

Forget the Mace as it may not have any effect and it can just as easily blow in your own face.

And by "stab" with the key, that means punch as hard as you can, just like you would if there was no key there.

And if the man has a gun, you give him EVERYTHING. My tae kwon do instruct taught us how to disarm a man with a knife, but even he said if a man mugs him with a gun, the mugger is getting whatever he wants. Do NOT mess with a gun.


Unless you have one of your own and know how to use it.

Just because you drop everything and give it to the "mugger" doesn't mean the wacko won't shoot you anyway.

You can't assume a psycopath will listen to or understand reason.

Playing the submissive role, is not always the right way to handle the situation.

DragonTush
11-14-2006, 02:06 PM
Good advice all. Thank you.

Lindsey H
11-14-2006, 06:43 PM
Good advice everyone. The police recommend a personal alarm that is LOUD. The one they recommended apparently makes a car alarm sound like a lullaby.
They caught the creep using the GPS on the victim's cell phone that he had stolen. I had no idea that cell phones had GPS but I am glad they do. He is in jail. He was given a 3 year suspended sentence in the last year or so on a drug charge, I think. If only he had been in jail instead of on the streets this young lady would still be alive.

MrTea
11-14-2006, 07:00 PM
Good advice everyone. The police recommend a personal alarm that is LOUD. The one they recommended apparently makes a car alarm sound like a lullaby.

That is the most rediculus thing I've heard in a while. A noisemaker will do nothing to protect you in a real life and death situation.

The philosophy behind the noisemakers is that the perp will not want to draw public attention to himself. Once again this only works if you are dealing with a sane reasoning individual. A real bad guy won't care if your keychain is making a loud noise.

For example, does anyone care if a car alarm is going off, no. Do people come running to help if an alarm goes off, no. Even in densly populated urban arias no one will care that your purse is making a loud noise. Also, what if no one else is around? You are going to trust your little noisemaker to save your life? You can't rely on others to save you. Learn to defend yourself.

Also, this noise may cause an already nervous individual to panic. This invokes the amygdala's "fight or flight" response. This may have the desired effect and cause your assalant to flee or it may cause them to do something really crazy. Not a risk you should be willing to take.

MrTea
11-14-2006, 07:05 PM
Good advice everyone. The police recommend a personal alarm that is LOUD. The one they recommended apparently makes a car alarm sound like a lullaby.

One more thing to note here. Don't you ladies think this is a sexist statement? Whatever police department is suggesting this obviously thinks women are incapable of defending themselves and therefore they should not even try. That's a load of BS!!! :grrr:

trollgirl
11-14-2006, 07:10 PM
Yes, making eye contact is very important as well. Preditors attack those who appear weak and/or distracted. Stand up streight and walk with confidence.

I've heard of people getting into trouble because they looked at someone "the wrong way" so I generally try not to stare people in the eye. Some of my friends who have lived in bad parts of town say that certain people get angry at you if you make eye contact, and they'll come up to you and ask you what you're looking at. Or if you're with a guy they'll ask him what his "b****" is looking at.

Sigh. I wish people could just be civilised and nice to each other.

nonny2t
11-14-2006, 07:11 PM
On the other side of the coin, do something for someone else during the season. Even if it is $ to the Salvation Army bell ringers, show your kids that there is something good about the season when you help someone less fortunate. One thing my dd has done every year since my grandson was 2 years old was to have Thomas take a name off the angel tree at one of our big department stores here. He takes someone that is the same age as he and then his mom takes him shopping to buy the things on the child's list. He helps wrap them and take them to the drop off point. This is a very big part of his holiday that he enjoys every year. He also learns humility because they don't meet the child and never know who this child is other than his or her first name. He just learns to give of his heart and some of his own money for someone that doesn't have as much as he.

MrTea
11-14-2006, 07:21 PM
Yes, making eye contact is very important as well. Preditors attack those who appear weak and/or distracted. Stand up streight and walk with confidence.

I've heard of people getting into trouble because they looked at someone "the wrong way" so I generally try not to stare people in the eye. Some of my friends who have lived in bad parts of town say that certain people get angry at you if you make eye contact, and they'll come up to you and ask you what you're looking at. Or if you're with a guy they'll ask him what his "b****" is looking at.

Sigh. I wish people could just be civilised and nice to each other.

Catching somones eye and quickly looking away is a sign of weakness that any human or animal will recognize immediately.

It is never polite to stare, but you don't want to appear weak either.

Name calling and harsh words can't hurt you. If you feel like you are in a bad situation, get out. Walk away, drive away, remove yourself from the situation.