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vaknitter
05-09-2007, 07:28 PM
Not sure how my DH and I came to the decision that we needed a 2nd dog, but we got this adorable 7 month old boxer mix from the SPCA. :cheering: She has prevented me from knitting for the last 2 wks b/c we cannot let her out of our sight and she LOVES attention.

We were told she was housebroken and I don't believe them. She was pretty good the 1st couple of days, then not so good, then great, then not so good yesterday and today. :pout: I need HELP !! This is my 3rd dog and don't remember it being this hard last time. I would like to avoid crating her so if anyone has any suggestions I'm all ears ....

thank you

CarmenIbanez
05-09-2007, 07:38 PM
Can I ask why you don't want to crate her? I just ask because that is the method we've used with our three dogs and it really works.

Beyond that, regular trips outside. Praise her when she goes outside and tell her no when she goes inside. Let the other dogs teach her, and use good stain removal! It's just one of those things that takes time. We're going through it right now too!

vaknitter
05-09-2007, 07:45 PM
My hubby says I am over sensitive ... I feel bad locking her in a crate. Just seems so horrible to lock her in a cage for hours while the other dog is wandering about.

What baffles me is that she knows not to go in the house...while we are home in the evenings and over the weekend she will go for hours and goes to the door to go out. We leave for work in the morning she has done all her business outside and then my hubby comes home at lunch to let her out and she has peed. It's almost as if she pees when she sees we are home. Not to be gross, but the puddles are still warm. Now that I think about it the days the windows were closed there were no accidents....

When she goes outside we go nuts for her and give her treats....and she never goes in the house when we are here.

CarmenIbanez
05-09-2007, 07:52 PM
I know it seems cruel to put her in a crate, but a majority of dogs actually need that crate time. Our dogs will occaisionally go into the kennels willingly to get away if we have people over and they're stressed out. If there are fireworks going off, they head straight for the kennels. It's their little private safety place. The new puppy does not like hers because it is new to her, but she'll get used to it. Our dogs are kenneled any time we are not at home. It is for their own safety too, since they are small.

Stick with it, you're doing all the right stuff, and she'll figure it out.

robynbird
05-09-2007, 08:09 PM
I agree with using a crate. It could be she is nervous when you aren't home and so she pees. My puppy (5 mo Chocolate Lab) loves his crate. He goes in it at night and when we are not home. He nevers pees in his crate.

Also, going to a new home is stressful for a dog. So the SPCA probably was telling the truth in that she is potty trained, but coming to a new place she has reverted back a bit. Sounds like she does well when you are home, but when left alone she doesn't. The crate might be a good thing for her since she is used to her own space at the shelter. :)

Best of luck! And congrats on your new fur baby. :)

CarmenIbanez
05-09-2007, 08:16 PM
do we at least get a picture? you know as payment for our advice? :teehee:

vaknitter
05-09-2007, 08:21 PM
Thank you for all your encouragement about the crate. I will definitely consider it and if she doesn't settle in by this weekend we will have to go buy one. HMMM I would love to share pictures, but I don't know how to resize them on my home computer....maybe hubby can

CarmenIbanez
05-09-2007, 08:27 PM
Okay, well here's mine:

vaknitter
05-09-2007, 08:30 PM
my goodness - how adorable - the toy is bigger than the puppy :cheering:

bellium
05-09-2007, 10:27 PM
a crate really is the best way to train a dog, old or new. dogs don't tend to want to soil their beds, and so crate-training is an easy way to teach them to "hold it in". dogs, for the most part, do not view their crates as "cages", but places for them, and them alone, and most dogs appreciate that sort of thing. positive reinforcement is better than negative - praise when the dog does do what you want, not scold when he or she does something bad, especially when you haven't caught them doing the bad thing - they don't always make the connection when some time has passed. the praise should be totally over-the-top, even if you feel like a fool doing it - not just a "good dog" and a cookie, but squeal and act like a fool and let the dog know how happy you are that it pooped outside - sounds crazy, but that's what dogs live for....

psammeadred
05-09-2007, 11:08 PM
I'm definitely pro-crating. It makes the dogs feel that they have a safe place. Giving them their own special place makes them much more secure.

(Of course, don't lock up a Newfoundland under the desk or put a Chihuahua in a lunch box...duh.)

bailsmom
05-09-2007, 11:15 PM
I agree with the crate training too. We only had to confine her for about the first year of her life (when we were gone of course, not while we were home)!!

Then she had the run of the house when we knew for sure she wouldn't tear the place up, and now we have it set up in the spare bedroom and she goes in there all the time to sleep with the door open, it's never closed and when there's fireworks going off, that's the first place she goes.

Poor girl hates those fireworks. :pout:

Remember, it's like their own little den. The wolf pack needs their own den. Read Cesar Milan's book, it's a great read.

You are doing everything right but I would get the crate. Check ebay, they have some good deals on those things. Of course I wasn't an ebayer until years later and spent a fortune on her crate at the pet store. :doh: Live and learn.

Congratulations on the new addition!! :cheering: :cheering:

HamaLee
05-09-2007, 11:20 PM
Yeah I agree with giving the crate a try. If I don't crate my dog and I leave the apartment...he has a nervous release of his bowels like the SECOND I leave :teehee: Poor guy. But in the crate he's fine and he just chills out.

As soon as he got used to it, it really did become his "space." He goes in there to hang out on his own if there are too many people out. I also use it as a "time-out" space. When he gets too wild or exhibits behaviors I'm looking to extinguish, I completely "turn off." A brief and stern "No" and then no eye contact, no physical contact, and a deeply voiced "KENNEL" and I point. No matter where we are in the apartment, he immediately stops whatever he was doing and trots off to his kennel to go sit for a minute or two and calm down. He has, however, mastered the look over the shoulder at the last second with a pathetic puppy-dog face :rofl: .

Interrupting the "bad" behavior as it's happening is really key with dogs. They can't learn from a correction if they don't know what's being corrected. And with dogs it really has to be simultaneous.

Also--did you mention that this is a young female? Cuz if the puddles are warm when you get home, she could be excitement-peeing. It's common for female dogs to run up and say hi when you get home by leaking a piddle. It's a submissive thing. It can be a little harder to train out, but sometimes they also grow out of it. My brother's dog still does it occasionally.

Good luck!

(wow that post got long!)

ETA--oh yeah, crate size! Don't make the mistake of getting a crate that's too big. She should have just enough room to comfortably sit, stand up, turn around, and lie down. Any bigger and it defeats the "don't poo where you sleep" idea.

CarmenIbanez
05-10-2007, 12:03 AM
She is so cute! Keep us posted on how it goes!

snowbear
05-10-2007, 12:48 AM
Add me to the list of crate lovers. I always used a crate.. very few accidents.. and everyone lots happier. They prefer it... and I didn't have to worry about them chewing electrical cords.. phone cords.. finding something they should not get into.. (trash etc.)

My dog would go to his crate at bedtime.. I never scolded him in the crate.. that was his safe place. I have traind 5 dogs w/ crate.. they all loved them and know they were "safe" in their. (from young children.. rowdy football cheers etc.

It goes back to their basic instincs.

I wish you luck.. also.. you might get or borrow a black light to show up the spots you might have missed so you can get all the "accidents"

CarmenIbanez
05-10-2007, 12:53 AM
I wish you luck.. also.. you might get or borrow a black light to show up the spots you might have missed so you can get all the "accidents"

We live in a house, but it is rented. The first time I used the black light it was very scary.... to say the least! :shock:

Hildegard_von_Knittin
05-10-2007, 01:47 AM
My uncle trained his first lab to go outside by :ick: pushing a matchstick in the dog's *ahem* hind end right after the dog ate. :ick: It gave the dog the urge to go right after eating, so it helped get him into a routine.

Now sure if you're willing to ge there, though... We (my mom and brother and I) weren't, so we did the crate method.

Maybe the puppy is going because he's glad so see you after being gone all day? I read that as much as we want to, we shouldn't make a big deal out of coming home, by showering the dog with "i love you"s and "i missed you"s and hugs and kisses, because they learn to miss us when we're gone.



All that said, I have 4 cats, so what do I know? :shrug:

figaro
05-10-2007, 08:30 AM
I guess I am the only one who did not crate train. Calvin had his area though which was a small laundry room and the back door area, we used a babygate to keep him in there and the kids out. He never messed his area up (unless you can count him playing with his blankets!) so it may count.

But when we moved to this large house, he had no area that we could block off so when had to bring out the very large crate that our old neighbor gave us. We put his blankets plus a big body pillow we gave him and now if he is in the house, he is in there on his own! The door is left open and after he does his scrap sniffing he goes in there and goes to sleep, with the door open. It is really surprising how he has taken to it, considering he was never trained with it. We do have him sleep in it and when we leave the house he is in there and there has never been a problem.

I do remember that when he was a puppy, he did of course have his accidents. We just told him NO in a firm voice and took him outside. He caught on pretty quickly and he has had only two accidents since then (both in the new house, guess that was his way of telling us he was a little upset about moving 3000 miles!).

Good luck in your puppy training! And he is very cute (along with that little chi!)

larudden
05-10-2007, 09:49 AM
It seems like she only has accidents when you're not there, right? She's ok when you're home?

The crate is the answer, it really is. Put her in the crate when noone is home and, when you get back, take her right outside. When she "goes," praise her and give her a treat right away (bring them outside with you).

When Nora was first getting trained, that's what we did. She finally got the idea and it was so cute because she'd coming running right away and sit by my feet, waiting for her treat. Then she'd go play for a bit.

Crating is really not a bad thing. Believe it or not, they think of it as their "safe place." I can remember my very large shepherds running to their crates when they got scared or tired.

I know that they aren't cheap, but alot of times you can find them in the newspaper.

Let us know how it works out. Love the pix.

CarmenIbanez
05-10-2007, 11:45 AM
Our dogs love the routine. We come home, one of us has to let them out of the kennels while the other opens the door to the yard, they tear off down the hall, go out, pee and come back in to shower us with kisses.

Our newest puppy is going to be a crate challenge because she is only 3lb and the smallest crate is a little big, so she has peed in there. But the vet said that won't last long.

vaknitter
05-10-2007, 02:11 PM
Okay okay - we will go look at crates after work...we talked to her foster mom and she was crate trained while she had her (hence we were told she was housebroken). My DH went home to let her out at lunch and our bathmat was in the hallway, she pulled a carpet remnant out from under our other dog's food/water stand (amazingly without knocking it over), and she had gotten under the guest bed to chew on some wrapping paper and gift tags !! :doh: I really wish I had a system of video cameras in the house.

It's a good thing she's so doggone cute :rofl:

HamaLee
05-10-2007, 02:36 PM
My DH went home to let her out at lunch and our bathmat was in the hallway, she pulled a carpet remnant out from under our other dog's food/water stand (amazingly without knocking it over), and she had gotten under the guest bed to chew on some wrapping paper and gift tags !! :doh: I really wish I had a system of video cameras in the house.

It's a good thing she's so doggone cute :rofl:

Oh doggies :roflhard: :rofl:

I hope this picture makes you feel a little better. This is what my brother came home to a few months ago...doesn't she just look so darn proud of herself?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/222/492748569_94799f93f0.jpg

larudden
05-10-2007, 03:20 PM
Our newest puppy is going to be a crate challenge because she is only 3lb and the smallest crate is a little big, so she has peed in there. But the vet said that won't last long.

My friend has a tiny dog, as well, and she has a divider in her crate to solve that problem.

meearnol
05-10-2007, 03:44 PM
It's a good thing she's so doggone cute :rofl:

Let me tell you, cute is the only thing that has kept my Pom puppy alive on many occasions. She likes to chew shoes, and she has very expensive taste. :wall: She has me well trained to put my shoes away as soon as I take them off.

I will also add that I'm all for crating.

DQ
05-10-2007, 05:23 PM
Okay, well here's mine:

AWWWWWW!!!!!! :heart: :heart: :heart:

vaknitter
05-10-2007, 09:21 PM
So we stopped on the way home to purchase a crate and we get home and she was a perfect angel - no messes at all !!! Her bed will still be in our bedroom and she will still be permitted on the bed. It will be hubby's job to put her in the crate in the morning - I can't look at those puppy dog eyes.

vaknitter
05-21-2007, 01:44 PM
Well, Miss Daisy seems to be doing well with crate training. We've gone almost 2 wks with no accidents in the house. She still sleeps on her bed in our room. It is not necessarily her safe place, she only goes in there when asked to or when she needs to retreive her blanket or toys.

Thanks for all the support in favor of crate training !!

Ronda
05-21-2007, 02:25 PM
OMG! HamaLee. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that photo!!!

Ronda
05-21-2007, 02:28 PM
Glad to hear things are going well with the crate, vaknitter!

My dog is 3 years old now. All I have to do is say, "Mama's going byes" (yea, baby talk - I know) and she walks right into her crate. At night after we let her out, again she walks into her crate all by herself. Sometimes if someone else tries to let her out of her crate (the lucky mornings I get to sleep in), she either won't come out until she sees me or she will come out for a while and go back in until I come out.