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JessicaR
06-15-2007, 12:40 AM
Well, I went and got another dog yesterday. He was turned in by his owner for not being potty trained quick enough, he's 1 year now. The shelter neutered him and said he was doing really well with his training. Well, I get him home and can't get him to go outside, but he has no problem going inside :ick: So this is what I'm doing...

Take him and Rose (my other dog) out together, she will always go potty because she knows, let Rose back inside, give him a few minutes more, if he doesn't go take him in and crate him, give him 10-15 minutes in the crate, take him out and tell him to go potty, if he does *which he hasn't yet* let him in, otherwise back in the crate

We are one out 5th trip outside and I know the second he gets let back in the house he's going to go :gah:Does this sound like it will work?

mum2caden
06-15-2007, 12:47 AM
Have you tried doing the whole cleaning up his pee with an old rag, and then putting the rag out in one spot in the yard- then taking him there to pee? My Dad did that when training our lab puppy a few years back and he still will go to that spot first and have a little pee, before deciding if he wants to go elsewhere in the yard, lol.

zip
06-15-2007, 12:48 AM
Poor baby. He's in a new place and scared. I'd ask the shelter what they did that helped him do well. Also, what breed(s) is he?

JessicaR
06-15-2007, 12:54 AM
He's a beagle. Trouble all the way. I just went out there to the crate, he chewed though the leash I left on him *sigh* I tied him out and I'm just going to hope he goes. It's just a frustrating time, we're leaving on vacation tomorrow and there's just a lot going on already.

JessicaR
06-15-2007, 01:02 AM
I just brought him in, he was barking. I swear the neighbors are going to get pissed soon. I have him leashed to my leg. The shelter said not to let him have free range of the house until he can be trusted.

zip
06-15-2007, 01:03 AM
It's dangerous to leave a leash on an animal. It can get caught on something and choke him or her to death.

These people (http://www.bassetandbeagle.org/) would take him. Or at least return him to the shelter. I don't wish to be rude, but it's cruel to bring a dog into your home the day before you're leaving for several days. :(

JessicaR
06-15-2007, 01:10 AM
No, they are both coming with us.

Momto G B and H
06-15-2007, 01:14 AM
I really really feel for you. We have a beagle too, and it took forever to train her. Fortunatley for us, we live in the country and I can let her out to run. She always comes home but can burn off energy.
Once I was able to leave her outside for longer periods of time, she finally didn't pee in the house anymore.

JessicaR
06-15-2007, 01:24 AM
Thanks. I also have to remember he's still a bit of a puppy. Rose and him have had several tiffs, I hope they can work it out. Plus it doesn't help that I brought him into "her" house.

FYI-I don't want to give him up by any means, I just want to make sure the training I'm doing is right for the situation.

redwitch
06-15-2007, 02:10 AM
He is probably stressed out so understand that he will not be behaving his best right now, he is in a new and scary place and doesn't know what will happen next. He will continue to be scared and annoying and difficult until he gets settled especially if you are taking him somewhere else tomorrow. Resist the urge to tell him off loudly or yell, he will have no idea why you are being so mean and punishing and scaring him. If he does it inside, keep an eye on him so you can straight away run over there and take him outside, saying firmly and loudly and slowly (but not yelling) 'NO.' No exclamation point, just 'NO boy DON"T do that'. Take him out mid-stream if you must (hmmm might want to keep him near the door or on laundry/lino type floor). When he wees outside tell him immediately 'Good boy! good boy!' and give him lots of affection. And I second the idea to put the pissy rags/whatever out there with him to get the idea. He might also be encouraged to go on the same trees your other dog has if you take him over to those trees right after the other dog has finished.

Remember he just doesn't realise that he can't go inside, don't get frustrated, just make it clear that you do not like him peeing inside and you disapprove and peeing is for outside only. It might be out of excitement or nerves inside, or he has lived inside and weed there so he doesn't realise that's not the rules in a new place.

JessicaR
06-15-2007, 03:14 AM
Interesting thing...My husband got home about an hour and half ago and has taken him out twice and got him to go both times for him. Maybe he's partial to my husband :inlove: I know our other dog is in love with me.

I had talked to the shelter about the trip and they thought it would be best to bring him, rather then board him. They also figured it would be bonding time with him.

JessicaR
06-15-2007, 04:14 AM
Yea, I'm super excited!!! John boy was laying at my feet and I said to him "Let's go outside!" Of course Rose then heard that and jumped up too. I let her out first and John waited at the door, then I took him out and he went, YEAH!!! :happydance: Then brought them both in and gave them treats (Rose has always gotten potty treats). I hope it continues to go well!!!

redwitch
06-15-2007, 05:33 AM
If you have trouble again ask your husband to go out and show him what he's supposed to be doing!!!

Nobones
06-15-2007, 06:29 AM
If you have trouble again ask your husband to go out and show him what he's supposed to be doing!!!

My Dad did that to potty train his Border Terrier, I thought he was joking but reading this I'm beginning to wonder.

I hope all is going well and this hasn't put you off bonding with the new puppy.

bailsmom
06-15-2007, 10:47 AM
:cheering: :cheering: :cheering:

I applaud you for taking on this little guy. You are a true hero in my book. For someone to give a dog up because they can't potty train them is beyond horrible. (just my opinion - being a dog lover and all)

It's just a patience game unfortunately. My little girl is as stubborn as they come, but she came around. Took her 6-8 months to potty train her little butt. We did the bells on the doorknob thing and it works to this day. (7 yrs later).

Have a great time on your vacation. I think it's great you are able to take them with you. :thumbsup:

Maitai
06-16-2007, 01:48 AM
I have found that the word "no" said in a firm voice and a spray bottle filled with water, has worked wonders in training pets. It kind of stops them from what they were doing wrong and focuses the attention on your command and you will not have to actually squirt them after the first few times. It is the sound of your voice, the sight of the bottle and your action of showing them what you expect that works....dont just soak them with water and laugh...(been there, done that) j/k*smacks self* and no I have never hurt a pet in any way...I'm too loving for that. I was was just so thrilled that I had his attention at last.
I have trained my cats and dogs this way and we all live very happy together now, with just my voice command of "no". (of course that is after the water bottle backing me up the first few times)
Oh, and I have used this method on my hubby as well :) it has turned a few bad arguments into a very fun chase around the house and made light of what the problem was in the first place. :)~

bellium
06-16-2007, 09:26 AM
it sounds like you're doing everything right so far - do you bring treats outside to treat him once he's "done his business" outdoors? i also have found it helpful to train my dogs to go on command - something i picked up from raising guiding eyes puppies - everytime he starts to go (outside, like he should), say your command (we used "get busy"), then treat. they soon equate "get busy" with going to the bathroom, and it's a nice way to get them to go when you don't feel like standing outside in your jammies for 20 minutes while your dog finds the perfect spot to pee.

i am sure you already know this, since you have another beagle, but i would highly recommend finding a basic obedience class that uses positive reinforcement to enroll him in as well - they like to be busy, beagles do, and you can often curb some of their more destructive behaviors like barking, digging, etc, by giving them something more productive to do.

good luck with your new family member!

samm
06-16-2007, 05:20 PM
I think you are on the right track with him. We've always had luck with the resident dogs showing the new dogs what to do. Don't let him out of your sight! Our latest little guy, a shihtzu from the shelter, used to go out, and then come back in a poop in the hallway. We started giving him treats outside when he did it out there, and that stopped the inside stuff. Except for an occasional rainy day..... We also use the command, "Hurry up!" and say it when the dog performs until he realizes that hurry up means to go! The neighbours probably think we're nuts, but that's okay. We had a beagle a long time back, who was a rescue puppy and the dearest fellow, once he grew up a bit. Beagles are loveable and puppies for years! Good luck with your new "baby"! samm

Arielluria
06-17-2007, 01:06 AM
Bless you for rescuing a dog! I have such doggie problems. First, be patient, that's the best thing you can do. Indoors get him some belly bands ("pawty pants") (http://www.pawpawpatch.net/id3.html). This is made by one of the volunteers with a rescue I volunteer with, and is basically a boy's diaper ;) Works wonders.

Then you have to clean up, use Urine Gone (http://www.urinegone.com/) (you can get it at Target).....or, it sounds as if you, like me, need the stuff by the gallon ;) - therefore, get Nature's Miracle (http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Miracle-Remover-gallon-128-oz/dp/B00008437W/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-9936782-6924056?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1182056609&sr=8-1), it's the same exact stuff as Urine Gone and works!!!!!! And is much cheaper.

Once your dog's scent slowly disappears from within the house, he will get the point to go where his scent is which is outdoors. It also helps to take him for really long walks, the dogs CANNOT keep from urinating where he smells others' scents, as it is their mission in life to leave their scent over others'

vaknitter
06-17-2007, 07:46 AM
You have my sympathy, I have been trying to respond to your post for days and everytime I sit down to the computer (or to my knitting for that matter) our new puppy (7mon old SPCA boxer mix) decides she needs attention.

When we got Daisy we were her 4th home and she had been on a leash 2x. Not only did we have to housebreak her, we also had to convince her it was okay to go on a leash. I went to the fabric store and bought webbing for $0.75 yard and basically made a lunge line so she could roam away from us and everytime she went outside on the leash and did her "potty" she got a high value reward (piece of hot dog, string cheese, or liver treat) and if she went in the house she got ignored.

It takes a lot of time, patience, and lost sleep, but they are so worth it :muah: Best of luck and keep up the good work.

Doodknitwit
06-17-2007, 08:28 AM
hopefully it will work...i'd try that too.

love your verse with your signature!!!

Vendie
06-17-2007, 08:42 AM
You're getting good advice, so I just want to add my "I feel your pain"...we adopted a dog who was given up b/c her previous owner didn't have time to train her and all that. And while I'm glad he finally realized this, his tactics of keeping her in her crate all the time backfired on him (and us). One of his complaints was that she could not get the whole potty thing. Turns out she had a bladder infection.

To get her on the right track once her infection was under control, we worked a schedule. After any naps, go outside. After eating, go outside. After play time, go outside. After being in the crate, go outside. And our other dog always went too. Confine her to her crate when we couldn't keep attention focused on her (over night, when we were out, etc.). She didn't really start getting it until we got her into obedience training. Same thing happened with our other dog - she never had an accident again after she went to obedience training.

The only problem with the dog now is that she can't go outside by herself. She lives with my mom now (long story involving our other dog), and she has to go out with my mom's older dog. And he's so slow getting to the door, that she just dances like crazy waiting for him. It's kinda cute actually, but it can be a bit of a pain, from what I hear.

Good luck with the new puppy!

JessicaR
06-18-2007, 12:14 PM
We are here on vacation. We had one accident the first morning that we were here, but nothing since then! Now we are working on getting them to like or at least tolerate each other. Yesterday Rose, our resident dog, went nutso on John and put him in his place. But, being a young male he keeps trying to push her buttons.

Luckily, the neighbors next to my inlaws here have a fenced in back yard that we were invited to use whenever. So they have gotten lots of exploration time. And we slept through the night last night, it was great. However, the hubby got pushed off the bed :rofling: We now have two dogs that don't have any concept of personal space.

Arielluria
06-18-2007, 01:30 PM
Awesome!:muah:I know what you mean about the male dog "pushing her buttons".........Peanut (our latest rescue, the one on my avatar who LOVES to steal my knitting!) is our first boy in a long time and boy does he love to push the 3 girls' buttons. :roflhard:

Glad things are working out! The rescues may need a little extra attention due to the fact they have been either mistreated or owned by IDIOTS who didn't do the basic things in the beginning in order to potty train, etc..........which leaves it up to you the wonderful rescuer!

God bless you for rescuing............I say that to all of you who have rescued! Remember to pass along www.petfinder.com (http://www.petfinder.com) to everyone you know (especially in forums/chat rooms, etc.) because they can look up by zip code, breed, age, etc.

I work with several rescues, mostly in the webmaster capacity, but I see what horrible treatment some of these get.........or IDIOT puppy mill owners.

Here's one just this week.........this adorable 15-week old pure bred Yorkie was taken to the vet by a puppy mill operator to be put down MERELY because his left year is smaller than his right one!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :!!!:I could just KILL him for operating a puppy mill! Imagine EUTHANIZING this adorable baby when there are tons of people out there that would love him and give him a good home!...........and we're not even a Yorkie rescue, we're a Lhasa Rescue (http://www.fortheloveofalhasarescue.com/)! We're calling him "Lefty". ;)

samm
06-18-2007, 03:15 PM
arggghghhh!!! Putting down that beautiful baby for ear size? How stupid can it get! We adopted a purebred beagle years ago, whose owners had returned him to the breeder at three or four months of age because he had an overbite. They were only wanting him for a pet! And he became our adored funny pet. I couldn't figure out how they could have him in their home for a month or so and then return him!!!! But we were lucky because he found us. samm whose dogs and cats are all rescue animals and perfectly loveable!

JessicaR
06-18-2007, 05:52 PM
Both our beagles and one rabbit I found on Petfinder. I just :heart: it.

Andrea
06-18-2007, 07:38 PM
Sounds like things are going well!!! :cheering: Keep up the good work!

There's a beagle in the townhome behind me...so cute! :inlove:

Yay rescues!!! :woohoo:

JessicaR
06-19-2007, 12:52 PM
I guess we were doing too good because he went three times in the house today!!! :!!!:We brought him to our old vet out here and had his anal glands expressed, as I suspected they were full. I hope this makes him more comfortable. So, we are going out for lunch, I hope they are good while we're gone, but I don't know anymore :pray:

Arielluria
06-19-2007, 12:56 PM
Good work mom! I STILL keep the belly bands on my Peanut (see pg. 2 post), even if he doesn't mean to pee in the house, he often wants to, say, mark the curtains when he sees a squirrel outside the window........as if THAT'S going to do anything to the squirrel. LOL!

Really recommend you look into one of those belly bands, they are my lifesaver!!!!!!!

RE the anal glands, ask the vet to show you how it's done. A vet showed me 9 years ago when I got my first Shih Tzu mix. It's nice to be able to do it at any time too if they start to get nasty.

lynnlisiewski
06-19-2007, 01:16 PM
Poor Baby
just give him time he may be afraid of going back to the shelter or the other place he lived (maybe his lack of training resulted in punishments that stays with them for a while

when I got my puppy she was 4 1/2 months old and they said their 2 & 3 year olds were not taking care of the puppy (what a shock) then when I got the puppy home she was terrified she could not go out side she would not go out for a walk I would put her leash on and she would cry Then I would walk her around the block or should I say carry her around the block and I could not get her to go into the car for a Petco shopping spree she seemed terrified

Other than her fear of going outside she was perfect She is extremely affectionate and seemed to like us but the going outside stuff was weird even when I went with her I emailed the women that we got her from I then found out we were the 5th family to have her in 4 1/2 months, No wonder why she would not go outside she was afraid of moving again

Now, 3 months later she Loves going to Petco She goes for long walks we walk to get Coffee every night it is about 3 miles round trip She still likes to be carried some times when we walk ( makes a lot of people laugh at us ) but she now feels at home She is still a true lap dog and trusts us totally now

When she had her surgery she still wanted to walk because that is what we do Enjoy your pup we do !

JessicaR
06-19-2007, 07:20 PM
Little brat just peed in front of me! I sat down to open this thread and he started to pee, so I grabbed him to bring him out and he wouldn't stop peeing!!! :rollseyes: So I let him finish in here instead of spraying pee all over the house!!! Reminds me of the dog in Bruce Almighty.

flea
06-19-2007, 07:28 PM
Awww. Just remember, "It's only pee." Like a mantra.

When we got our Bodie from the shelter she was totally not housebroken. We instituted a strict, Go Outside Every 2 Hours policy that seemed to start her on the right track. Heck, the first week I took her out q1h since I was on break from school.

I know I came late to this thread so I'm not sure if I'm just repeating advice someone else has already given.

JessicaR
06-19-2007, 07:35 PM
Thank you. I just like hearing that I'm not the only one with dog issues. I'm really hoping the next half of our vacation is better. We leave tomorrow morning for the UP (Michigan). Really relaxing and laid back. We are staying at my grandmother's house (who has passed away). We are in the basement so if he does have an accident it's not a huge biggie. My inlaws' house here is immaculate and every time he goes and just think in the back of my mind "this is it, they're going to kick us out" :pout:

Oh, I'll also get some pics up when we get back

Arielluria
06-19-2007, 09:51 PM
With any puppy or untrained dog the #1 rule is take outside often, but ESPECIALLY (JIC no one has mentioned this yet) 1) immediately after waking up and 2) immediately after eating.

Before my Peanut (avatar) got his belly bands, I would keep him in the kitchen with a baby gate. Also consider crate training your pup, they are highly averse to soiling where they lay, so they then learn to hold it and if they hate the crate at first they eventually learn to LOVE it, it's like a little cave and very snuggly to them.

Awww. Just remember, "It's only pee." Like a mantra.

When we got our Bodie from the shelter she was totally not housebroken. We instituted a strict, Go Outside Every 2 Hours policy that seemed to start her on the right track. Heck, the first week I took her out q1h since I was on break from school.

I know I came late to this thread so I'm not sure if I'm just repeating advice someone else has already given.

Arielluria
06-19-2007, 09:53 PM
Don't forget you are on vacation and even housetrained dogs have trouble figuring out WHICH door to whine at to let you know, etc.!
Thanks for being a loving and patient mom!
:muah:

Thank you. I just like hearing that I'm not the only one with dog issues. I'm really hoping the next half of our vacation is better. We leave tomorrow morning for the UP (Michigan). Really relaxing and laid back. We are staying at my grandmother's house (who has passed away). We are in the basement so if he does have an accident it's not a huge biggie. My inlaws' house here is immaculate and every time he goes and just think in the back of my mind "this is it, they're going to kick us out" :pout:

Oh, I'll also get some pics up when we get back

HamaLee
06-20-2007, 11:37 AM
Here's one just this week.........this adorable 15-week old pure bred Yorkie was taken to the vet by a puppy mill operator to be put down MERELY because his left year is smaller than his right one!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :!!!:

Man, some people just really stink. I rescued my pup because of his wonky ear! :teehee:

How can you not love it?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/142/397100039_f3ff863017_m.jpg
(not a great pic, but still...)

And yeah, whoever his previous owners were...somebody spent quite a bit of time walloping my guy. He was terrified of damn near everything for a long time. But, a year later and he's truly come into his own goofy self and spends all day playing with canine pals. :cheering:

Arielluria
06-20-2007, 11:39 AM
That is awesome! It does a rescue volunteer's heart good to feel that there ARE some decent loving people out there!!!!!!!!!
:muah::hug:

I LOVE dogs with "wonky" ears ;) I think they are soooooo adorable!

msoebel
06-21-2007, 10:15 AM
Oh...this whole thread is making me anxious to move into a place that allows pets. We are looking around now.

We haven't rented a place that allowed pets in the almost 9 years that we have been married. And I'm a country girl...who always had 3 dogs, a cat or two, a hamster, some rabbits...and sometimes a few chickens or ducks.

You're going to be in the UP, huh? Well, I'm just a few hours south of you!

As for the original purpose of this thread...the big thing you have to remember is consistency. The poor guy has gone through a lot in the past year...and it sounds like very little of it remained consistent. If you show him that this is the way it is now, and this is they way it's still going to be tomorrow, he will get it. Eventually, he will get it. The spray bottle may work...it's so hard to tell with beagles. They are so...energetic and curious and they need LOTS of time to run and play.

Misty

JessicaR
06-25-2007, 12:52 PM
I got some squirt guns to try the water spraying method. John Boy thought it was a great game and loves to be sprayed! :roflhard: He is the opposite of Rose in so many ways. She hates water, he loves it. She's relaxed, he's high strung. She's had the same toys for years, he's ripped them up in a day.

JessicaR
06-25-2007, 05:09 PM
Here's John Boy!!!

HamaLee
06-26-2007, 10:37 AM
Oh yeah, that's a trouble-maker right there. And he's working those sad puppy eyes so you can't stay mad at him, sneaky little devil!
:rofl:

Arielluria
06-26-2007, 02:56 PM
My Peanut's the same way. They really get you with those eyes, don't they?!?

This morning Peanut ate the business card of the emergency room doctor which my saw last week! Luckily the next appointment was already made.........he ate about 4/5 of it before I caught him. LOL!

Unlike John Boy, Peanut has respect for only ONE thing........that's the water bottle.

JessicaR
06-26-2007, 05:59 PM
And he's a licker, so everytime you're mad at him he curls up next to you with the eyes and gives you kisses til you smile.

JessicaR
06-26-2007, 08:49 PM
Well, I called the vet office and I'm going to bring them both into basic obedience classes. Rose was a spoiled brat to begin with and I think it will help us all out. Plus, they go over a lot of dog behavior. Rose is my first dog ever and having 2 dogs is a first for both me and the hubby.

Arielluria
06-27-2007, 10:29 AM
:cheering:The obedience work will be good for them. I like the Petsmart classes I've taken my dogs to, but any classes which teach YOU to handle them. Better than those dog trainers you pay an arm and a leg to and leave your dogs for training. It's especially good to have classes which have many other dogs in them and helps them learn to listen to you amidst the distractions of other dogs.