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amy
05-24-2007, 04:53 PM
First off, I apologize to the non-fans who have to dodge three different threads already, and the book isn't even out yet! :teehee:

I know we already have one "spoilers" thread, but it sounded like there may be references to outside "proof" of plot, true spoilers? :?? I haven't read it. I'd like to keep this thread clear of any "proof" or even of professional speculation (based on articles, etc.) of what plot may unfold. Let's just share our own ideas here.

Starting with....
It's always been my theory that she kills Harry in a way so that oldemort dies as well. I think the book could end with Ron and Hermione visting his grave with their children, including a son named Harry. It would be sad, but a fitting end. I don't think Harry will kill Voldemort because Dumbledore has always told Harry that killing someone else is one of the worst things a person can do, that it tears the soul in two. I think Snape will be more complex than just being evil and will do something to save Harry at some point in the book. I think Harry could die and be reunited with his parents and Sirius and Dumbledore that way. I do think Ginny would never get over his death and therefore might die as well. I also think Lupin will kill Greyback.


I think.....

1. Dumbledore will be back in the last book - either in spirit form or "transformed" like Gandalf was in LOTR

2. Neville will be key to the final confrontation

3. Snapes is a "good guy"

4. Hermione will end up the youngest witch ever to be made a Hogwart's professor

Any thoughts?

Braden
06-27-2007, 12:05 AM
3. Snapes is a "good guy"

He killed Dumbledore! I just don't see how he could ever be a "good "guy" :shrug:

chrislt8
06-27-2007, 01:31 AM
He killed Dumbledore! I just don't see how he could ever be a "good "guy" :shrug:
But I don't think he really DID kill Dumbledore - I think he and Dumbledore are "in cahoots" somehow...Dumbledore has just stood up for him too many times throughout the series....

Braden
06-27-2007, 02:01 AM
Hmmm, interesting twist.

But, they buried Dumbledore. I don't see how he could still be alive after that, but, you never know with him. I really look forward to reading the book.

*edit- I've thought about it, and you're RIGHT! Dumbledore wants Voldemort to think Snape's on his side, so he made Snape pretend to kill him, so he could spy for him! What a plot!*

Jax3303
06-27-2007, 08:19 AM
I do think Snape and Dumbledore were in 'cahoots', but Dumbledore IS really dead. (his portrait is up with the other dead headmasters, and JKR has said so in interviews) Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him, I believe he was pleading with Snape to kill him. I don't think Dumbledore would EVER plead for someone to NOT kill him. That's not how he was.

BostonBecca
06-27-2007, 08:21 AM
Or Dumbledore asked Snape to do it, he said "please" but the please was ambiguous. It could have been "please, kill me now" or "please don't." Dumbledore did say "to the well organized mind, death is merely the next great adventure" when speaking about Nicolas Flamel. His picture appeared snoozing in the picture frame for him in the headmaster's office. Harry has to grow up and this is part of that for me. Anyone who holds out hope for Dumbledore not being dead if they are over 10 is just unable to handle the death of a fictional character. It was sad, I cried, I moved on and now am looking at the meaning of his death for the next book. The author has killed off Harry's closest mentors and he has to stand on his own two feet, with support from his friends, but still on his own, as the prophecy calls for.

The author has said many times that she really did kill Dumbledore, that it was hard for her to do, but that he is dead.

newamy
06-27-2007, 09:17 AM
Well I have a different idea. Dumbledore's investigations that he shares with Harry reveal that a soul is purposely torn in two when creating a Horcrux- which is partly why Voldemort wants to kill. Also Voldemort, or rather Tom Riddle has never known unconditional love. Harry however has. His life was saved by love itself, the Dursley's house protects him till adulthood based on the ancient bonds of family love. It is reapeatedly pointed out that inspite of all the tragedies of his life he can still love with a pure heart. McGonagall even says that Dumbledore would enjoy seeing more love in the world in regards to the Lupin/Tonks romance. I rather think it is love that will save the day. He tells Ginny in Half blood Prince that they can't be together because of his concern that Voldemort goes after family and uses people his enemies care about. I think this will turn out to be a mistake, I think Harry's strength will be found in having those he loves near by- Ginny, all the Weasleys, Hermione, his other friends. People representing all the kinds of love there is. Of course the power of such love won't be realized till the end. If Voldemort dies at Harry's hands or as part of a some sort of magical encounter it will be due to the power of love that Voldemort does not understand. Harry, however will be sustained by it.

newamy
06-27-2007, 09:25 AM
I agree, Dumbledore did really die. Rowling is rhuthless about these things. I was just watching a program that compared the Star Wars Trilogy to ancient mythology and the Hero must loose his mentors and face his enemy alone- there were many Harry Potter parrallels in the show. Luke lost his parents, his aunt and uncle and finally Obi Wan. Harry lost his parents, his God Father and finally Dumbledore. The difference is that there is a magical, prophetic relationship between Harry and Voldemort. In Star Wars Luke saves his own father. So slightly different twist but the ordinary young kid with an insurmountable enemy (evil) who learns from mentors, then loosing them, becoming the hero of the day is a very similar concept.

chrislt8
06-27-2007, 09:37 AM
I agree newamy-that is very close to how I see Harry's development..

Re Dumbledore, my thought isn't that he didn't die in the last book - but that he will still be back in some form-either in spirit form or somehow metamorphasized. And I completely agree that he was asking Snape to "please" kill him rather than not to.

And <<I think Harry's strength will be found in having those he loves near by- Ginny, all the Weasleys, Hermione, his other friends. People representing all the kinds of love there is. Of course the power of such love won't be realized till the end. If Voldemort dies at Harry's hands or as part of a some sort of magical encounter it will be due to the power of love that Voldemort does not understand. Harry, however will be sustained by it.>> is exactly how I see the ending!

chrislt8
06-27-2007, 09:38 AM
Amy - thanks for moving the "speculation" thread here! Great idea :muah:

amy
06-27-2007, 09:45 AM
Or Dumbledore asked Snape to do it, he said "please" but the please was ambiguous. It could have been "please, kill me now" or "please don't."

Exactly, I was thinking this when I read it! The fact that many people didn't pick up on it was totally intentional of course. She wants to throw some good plot twists at us in the final book.

I agree, Dumbledore did really die. Rowling is rhuthless about these things. I was just watching a program that compared the Star Wars Trilogy to ancient mythology and the Hero must loose his mentors and face his enemy alone

NewAmy, I have the same series out on DVD right now! Joseph Campbell rocks! :thumbsup: You said it perfectly, I totally agree that Dumbledore has to be out of the picture for the hero to come fully into his own.

ETA: Your welcome Chrislt8. Here we can speculate to our heart's content. :D Although I confess, even these I'm only skimming, I don't want to know too much! I like to be surprised!

DianaM
06-27-2007, 10:34 AM
In Star Wars Luke saves his own father. So slightly different twist but the ordinary young kid with an insurmountable enemy (evil) who learns from mentors, then loosing them, becoming the hero of the day is a very similar concept.

I suddenly had an image of Voldemort hissing: "Harry.....I'm your father!" :roflhard::roflhard::roflhard::roflhard:

Anyway, yes, Dumbledore's gone. Characters die in stories for a reason and I don't think Rowling will bring him back. He will probably give advice to Harry through the Headmaster's portrait or something.

I think Snape's good. I think one of the reasons why Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him was to keep Draco from doing it. As it's been said, that murder will tear a soul in two, I think Dumbledore was trying to protect Draco.

I also have a slight suspicion that Harry will die in the last book. Don't know exactly why, but I think he might.

Kaydee
06-27-2007, 10:56 AM
Well I do think Dumbledore is really gone (when I first read book 5 I thought he'd be coming back but not anymore). I do think that there is going to be some kind of plot twist around Dumbledore's death though. What I can't say, I'm not really sure yet but there's gotta be something going on with that.

I wonder what's going to happen with the whole Nevile/Harry prophecy? I don't have many great predictions yet, I think I need to re-read book 5 first and really think about it.

syndactylus
06-27-2007, 12:18 PM
I think Dumbledore wanted to die because he has been aging more and more since the Philosopher's Stone was destroyed (although maybe that didn't have any connection, but it's been repeated that he was aging noticeably), and after the irreparable injury to his arm, it was only going to get worse. Why he didn't amputate and get a replacement like Pettigrew, though ... is probably one of those questions you leave to the suspension of logical thought.
Hopefully now Harry will wake up and come to some understanding with Snape, but since Snape won't answer to anyone especially now that Dumbledore's gone, maybe not. It would probably actually be less interesting if he did, just another of the morals for the kiddies... but since they are kids' books, and they are acceptably well done, I'm not really complaining. So that's only my half-expectation, and I don't really have any others.

chrislt8
06-27-2007, 01:27 PM
Okay - now I am re-reading them...I may have forgotten more than I thought I remembered :roflhard: Almost finished with book 1 - interesting reading them in light of what you already know happens in future books - see a lot more foreshadowing, etc...

PaperGirl
06-27-2007, 02:34 PM
I wonder if I can read 5 and 6 in one month. :thinking:

newamy
06-27-2007, 04:02 PM
Sure you can, no problem.