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mommyto2presidents
11-10-2007, 11:21 AM
Hi! Just wondering if anyone would have a link to a pattern for a winter hat for my 4.5 year old daughter. I really just want the basic style hat with a fold over "brim" for lack of a better word and with a pom pom on top. Ya know, kind of like a typical skiier hat??

I'm also looking for a mitten pattern for the same child and then a 1.5 year old boy.

I'd like these in a pattern that uses circ needles.

Also, what type of yarn should I use? Cotton, acrylic, wool???

Thans for all of your help and possible suggestions!!

Jan in CA
11-10-2007, 06:00 PM
Here's a basic hat pattern that can be used for anyone -
http://www.mielkesfarm.com/bsic_hat.htm

Here's a few more -
http://tiajudy.com/ribcaps.htm
http://www.hjsstudio.com/hat.html

A few mitten patterns -
http://www.woolfestival.com/patterns/children_mitten.htm
http://www.hjsstudio.com/mittens.html

Here are a bunch of patterns.
http://www.knittingpatterncentral.com/directory.php

As for yarn, wool is warmest. Superwash is best for kids since you KNOW they'll need washing often. ;)

brittyknits
11-10-2007, 07:46 PM
Hey, me again!:) Here is the hat pattern I use constantly-- every size and every yarn weight!
http://www.coatsandclark.com/Crafts/Knitting/Projects/Accessories/LW1268+Gotcha+Covered+1.htm

It's for knitting flat, but here's how you can do it in the round (it's the only way I knit this pattern, so I know it works!)--
1. When you cast on, subtract 1 stitch from the number they give you (so if they say cast on 51, you're only going to cast on 50). This is true for every size and every yarn weight.
2. Join the stitches and go to their directions for ribbing. In their "row 1", where it says K2 P2, repeat to end, and then K1, delete that last stitch, the K1 (you'll see that you won't have that last stitch to work anyway, since you cast on 1 less. That would have been your seam stitch if you were knitting flat). Then ignore their directions for "row 2" and just keep repeating row 1, so that you will knit your knit stitches and purl your purl stitches, since you are knitting in the round. Also, if you like a K1 P1 rib better, do that instead-- you'll still come out right in your numbers.
3. Crown instructions-- knit all the rows, instead of knit 1 row, purl 1 row, since you are knitting in the round. Ignore ending with a purl row.
4. Shape top instructions-- on the odd number rows, you are going to be decreasing in 4 sections of the hat (you divide your stitches into 4 sections. So if you have 80 stitches, you will decrease in each set of 20 stitches). It then tells you to finish those rows with K1. Ignore that last K stitch--again, that's your seam stitch you've left off since you are working in the round. Then on the even numbered rows, they tell you to purl-- just knit them, since you are in the round.

mommyto2presidents
11-10-2007, 08:53 PM
Here's a basic hat pattern that can be used for anyone -
http://www.mielkesfarm.com/bsic_hat.htm

Here's a few more -
http://tiajudy.com/ribcaps.htm
http://www.hjsstudio.com/hat.html

A few mitten patterns -
http://www.woolfestival.com/patterns/children_mitten.htm
http://www.hjsstudio.com/mittens.html

Here are a bunch of patterns.
http://www.knittingpatterncentral.com/directory.php

As for yarn, wool is warmest. Superwash is best for kids since you KNOW they'll need washing often. ;)

Those are all GREAT patterns. Thanks!!

BTW, where do I find reasonably priced superwash?

mommyto2presidents
11-10-2007, 08:57 PM
Hey, me again!:) Here is the hat pattern I use constantly-- every size and every yarn weight!
http://www.coatsandclark.com/Crafts/Knitting/Projects/Accessories/LW1268+Gotcha+Covered+1.htm

It's for knitting flat, but here's how you can do it in the round (it's the only way I knit this pattern, so I know it works!)--
1. When you cast on, subtract 1 stitch from the number they give you (so if they say cast on 51, you're only going to cast on 50). This is true for every size and every yarn weight.
2. Join the stitches and go to their directions for ribbing. In their "row 1", where it says K2 P2, repeat to end, and then K1, delete that last stitch, the K1 (you'll see that you won't have that last stitch to work anyway, since you cast on 1 less. That would have been your seam stitch if you were knitting flat). Then ignore their directions for "row 2" and just keep repeating row 1, so that you will knit your knit stitches and purl your purl stitches, since you are knitting in the round. Also, if you like a K1 P1 rib better, do that instead-- you'll still come out right in your numbers.
3. Crown instructions-- knit all the rows, instead of knit 1 row, purl 1 row, since you are knitting in the round. Ignore ending with a purl row.
4. Shape top instructions-- on the odd number rows, you are going to be decreasing in 4 sections of the hat (you divide your stitches into 4 sections. So if you have 80 stitches, you will decrease in each set of 20 stitches). It then tells you to finish those rows with K1. Ignore that last K stitch--again, that's your seam stitch you've left off since you are working in the round. Then on the even numbered rows, they tell you to purl-- just knit them, since you are in the round.

Love that one too! Now I have to find the yarn. I have purewool and peacfleece which are washable with wool wash, but not machine washable...

I'm sure I'll be back with some questions when I start!! :teehee:

Thanks (AGAIN)!!

Jan in CA
11-11-2007, 03:02 AM
Those are all GREAT patterns. Thanks!!

BTW, where do I find reasonably priced superwash?

I'm not sure what your price ranges are and it depends on if you want 100% wool or a blend. Knitpicks Swish is superwash, but there are also kinds like Plymouth Encore which is 25% wool I think..they have a bunch of colors, too.

mommyto2presidents
11-11-2007, 10:37 PM
Hey, me again!:) Here is the hat pattern I use constantly-- every size and every yarn weight!
http://www.coatsandclark.com/Crafts/Knitting/Projects/Accessories/LW1268+Gotcha+Covered+1.htm

It's for knitting flat, but here's how you can do it in the round (it's the only way I knit this pattern, so I know it works!)--
1. When you cast on, subtract 1 stitch from the number they give you (so if they say cast on 51, you're only going to cast on 50). This is true for every size and every yarn weight.
2. Join the stitches and go to their directions for ribbing. In their "row 1", where it says K2 P2, repeat to end, and then K1, delete that last stitch, the K1 (you'll see that you won't have that last stitch to work anyway, since you cast on 1 less. That would have been your seam stitch if you were knitting flat). Then ignore their directions for "row 2" and just keep repeating row 1, so that you will knit your knit stitches and purl your purl stitches, since you are knitting in the round. Also, if you like a K1 P1 rib better, do that instead-- you'll still come out right in your numbers.
3. Crown instructions-- knit all the rows, instead of knit 1 row, purl 1 row, since you are knitting in the round. Ignore ending with a purl row.
4. Shape top instructions-- on the odd number rows, you are going to be decreasing in 4 sections of the hat (you divide your stitches into 4 sections. So if you have 80 stitches, you will decrease in each set of 20 stitches). It then tells you to finish those rows with K1. Ignore that last K stitch--again, that's your seam stitch you've left off since you are working in the round. Then on the even numbered rows, they tell you to purl-- just knit them, since you are in the round.

Am I having to do this on DPN's? I noticed on the pants that when I moved from needle to needle and when I purled on the DPN's, I had a lot of space and my stitches were much looser in those areas than they were elsewhere.

If I can at least start on a circ needle, how do I determine what size cable I should be using? Also, when you say that I would be dividing my stitches into 4 sections, does that mean that I'd be using all 5 of my DPN's for the crown shaping?

Lastly, have you made the pom pom too or just the hat? My daughter, of course, wants the pom pom. Go figure! :roflhard:

brittyknits
11-12-2007, 12:21 AM
If you're going to use a circular, I would use the shortest cable possible, like 16" or something like that. I've made dozens of these for adults and used a 20" circular with no problem. Although come to think of it, I do have to switch to the dpns by the time I get past the first couple of decreases. Were the purl stitches the only ones that gave you problems on the pants? Because the only place you'll need to purl on the hat is in the ribbing-- because you're in the round, the rest of it is all knit. Hmmm, I'm wondering why your purling is very loose with dpns, because it's so much like using a circular, except you keep changing needles. Are the of the same material as your circulars? And when you get to the decreases and divide the work into quarters-- great question! I didn't word it very well-- you just divide the number by markers, or once you've made a couple, you might even be able to get away with just visually keeping track. You don't have to use 4 needles to divide them onto, but there would be nothing wrong with it, and if it helps you keep track of your quarter sections, then go for it.
As for the pom-pom-- I've made them, but not for this hat, specifically. I didn't even check!-- do they include directions for the pom-pom in that pattern? If not, you can find one on line pretty easily. They make these plastic disks things for making pom-poms, which I've found very helpful. All you would do with the pom-pom, is make sure that you've got 2 tails about a foot long-- one from where you started and the other from where you finish it. Then with a crochet hook, or threading the tail through a needle, at the very top of your hat, pull one of those tails from the outside to the inside. Then go over a couple of stitches and do the same thing with the 2nd tail. Tie them together inside, making a couple knots so that they don't come loose (you KNOW she's going to pull and twirl that pom-pom:) ) and then cut off the remaing bit tails, leaving about an inch.
And last but not least-- I just posted some info about basic mittens patterns. The one from the vintage site, which is the battered one I still use all the time, has a great pattern called "Classic Mittens and Gloves for the Entire Family", kind of charted out by size the way the hat pattern I recommend is. And you can knit them flat or round, they give directions for both. Now those, if you do them in the round, can only be done by dpns. And if you decided to either that hat or these mittens from these patterns, I've made both loads and loads of times, in all sizes, so I can REALLY be of assistance. And how are the pants?!

mommyto2presidents
11-14-2007, 05:48 PM
Hey, me again!:) Here is the hat pattern I use constantly-- every size and every yarn weight!
http://www.coatsandclark.com/Crafts/Knitting/Projects/Accessories/LW1268+Gotcha+Covered+1.htm

It's for knitting flat, but here's how you can do it in the round (it's the only way I knit this pattern, so I know it works!)--
1. When you cast on, subtract 1 stitch from the number they give you (so if they say cast on 51, you're only going to cast on 50). This is true for every size and every yarn weight.
2. Join the stitches and go to their directions for ribbing. In their "row 1", where it says K2 P2, repeat to end, and then K1, delete that last stitch, the K1 (you'll see that you won't have that last stitch to work anyway, since you cast on 1 less. That would have been your seam stitch if you were knitting flat). Then ignore their directions for "row 2" and just keep repeating row 1, so that you will knit your knit stitches and purl your purl stitches, since you are knitting in the round. Also, if you like a K1 P1 rib better, do that instead-- you'll still come out right in your numbers.
3. Crown instructions-- knit all the rows, instead of knit 1 row, purl 1 row, since you are knitting in the round. Ignore ending with a purl row.
4. Shape top instructions-- on the odd number rows, you are going to be decreasing in 4 sections of the hat (you divide your stitches into 4 sections. So if you have 80 stitches, you will decrease in each set of 20 stitches). It then tells you to finish those rows with K1. Ignore that last K stitch--again, that's your seam stitch you've left off since you are working in the round. Then on the even numbered rows, they tell you to purl-- just knit them, since you are in the round.


Okay, clarification please... at the end of the pattern it says "Rep the last 2 rows unil the row "[k2tog, K1 OR K2, sl 1, K1, ppso] 4 times, K1 has been worked and 13 or 17 sts remain- I know to forget the last K1, but am I repeating what's in the brackets 4 times until the 13 or 17 stitches are left on the needle? What happens to those stitches?

brittyknits
11-14-2007, 10:49 PM
Great question, and easy answer. First of all, because if you make the hat in the round, you subtract one stitch in your cast on, you will also have 1 less stitch at all times. So you will end up with either 12 or 16 stitches, depending on which size you use. I actually do it so I end up with either 12 or 8 stitches. Here's what happens-- when you are doing your decreases, you make 2 decreases in each quarter section. You need to have at least 4 stitches in each quarter section because you need that many to make 2 decreases. So if you end up with 12 stitches, you will have 3 stitches in each quarter section, and so you can't go any further. As for their second number, 16, you still have 4 stitches in each quarter section, and so I like to decrease that one more possible time, which gives me 8 stitches.
Now, what to do with those 12 or 8 (or 16, if you prefer) stitches? Just break off your yarn, leaving about a foot, put it on a large needle (darning/sewing needle, not knitting needle!) and thread it through those remaining stitches and draw it up tightly. Then take that yarn tail, still on that darning needle, and poke it through to the inside of the hat, right at the very top, the center of where you pulled the last stitches tight is the best place, and on the inside, knot it a couple of time to a nearby stitch and cut it off. And you're done!

mommyto2presidents
11-14-2007, 11:13 PM
I guess I'm a bit confused then. Am I still doing the k2tog, k to 2 st before marker.. etc until I get to those final stitches then? And do I really have to know how many stitches will be left or will I know like you said by the fact that I can't go any further? And when you say 12 or 16 depending on which size I use, are you talking about the hat size or needle size? How do you then end up with 12 or 8? I'm a bit lost there...

ETA: Oh, and I meant to ask, when I slip 1 stitch, I'm getting a funny looking stitch at that location. Am I supposed to be slipping purl-wise? I've been slipping knit wise... shouldn't the slip over be hidden INSIDE the hat somewhere?

brittyknits
11-14-2007, 11:24 PM
The hat is made in 3 parts-- the ribbing, which you turn back into a cuff, then the basic crown which is just straight knitting, and then the top shaping, which is what you're talking about.

For this 3rd part, you are doing 2 different rows, alternating them. The first is a decrease row, and the 2nd is just a plain knit row. In the decrease rows, you are dividing your stitches into quarter sections. In each section, you decrease 1 stitch, then knit until you have 2 stitches left, and then decrease another stitch. So in each decrease row, you are losing a total of 8 stitches.

You just keep doing those 2 rows (1 decrease row and 1 plain row) until you can't decrease any further, meaning, when you don't have at least 4 stiches in each quarter section. Yes, you will know when you get there, and "there" will be when you end up with either 2 or 3 stitches in each quarter section. The difference in the number of stitches you finish with is based on how many stitches you originally cast on in the first place, which is based on the size of the hat you chose, NOT the size of the needles.

mommyto2presidents
11-14-2007, 11:30 PM
Okay, as usual, it's probably going to make more sense when I get there.

I realized through trial and error that I should be slipping the s1 stitches purl-wise, correct? I haven't been... I've been slipping them knit-wise, so that there is an obvious error on the OUTSIDE of the hat now :( How can I go back and fix those? I'm on the row AFTER the first plain knit row in the top shaping...

brittyknits
11-14-2007, 11:40 PM
Well, you could tink back to that point and re-do that row so they all slip purl-wise. (Yes, it sounds like you should be slipping purl-wise. I know it sounds silly that I can't answer that one, but I just "slip" however I instinctively know it needs to be done in each specific situation and so they just come out right.) Or-- does it really look like a mistake, or just to you because you know what should have been there? I'd probably just leave it:) . Hey-- wow! this means you're close to the end of finishing this hat!:yay: That was fast!

mommyto2presidents
11-14-2007, 11:42 PM
yep, almost there! I just can't seem to let the mistakes go. I'm having the most problem figuring out what to do with the slipped stitches.. Grr.. I hate that about myself! I want it to be PERFECT!! LOL My only problem is that I'm afraid if I backtrack I'll lose track of the pattern going backwards and then forwards again.. .After all, I am still a newbie!! :roflhard:

brittyknits
11-14-2007, 11:48 PM
Oh hell, then just keep going and if anyone says, "why does this look funny here?", just roll your eyes and snidely ask how they've managed to miss couture all these years:rofl: . But really-- if you think you might forget where you were and get lost, then I would leave it. Your daughter is going to be thrilled no matter what. Ooooo-- or attach another pom-pom over that part!:rofl: .

mommyto2presidents
11-15-2007, 12:13 AM
Well, I won't tell you what I'm in the process of doing... whistling...

I did want to tell you I finally remembered to post a picture of the finished pants in the other thread!! :cheering:

mommyto2presidents
11-15-2007, 12:40 AM
phew... all fixed! Start fresh in the AM!!

Thanks!! You're rather cathartic! Every time I write to you, it has to make sense coming through, and it helps me learn as I'm trying to explain it to you! Did that make any sense? It's late here and I'm off to bed! :woot:

brittyknits
11-15-2007, 01:01 AM
Well, I won't tell you what I'm in the process of doing... whistling...

You're very naughty. But I completely understand, and probably would have ended up doing the same thing:) .

phew... all fixed! Start fresh in the AM!!

Wow, that didn't take long-- see, you're becoming a professional!

Thanks!! You're rather cathartic! Every time I write to you, it has to make sense coming through, and it helps me learn as I'm trying to explain it to you! Did that make any sense?

Absolutely-- when you have to explain it someone else, you have to look at what you're doing and sort it out. It makes total sense. Maybe you don't even need my responses-- just ask the questions while I sit back and by the time I read it, you'll have figured it out.:) The pants are just too adorable-- check out "I think I can, I think I can:) .