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Lucy78green
04-12-2008, 02:10 PM
Bought My first spindle whorl at a craft show today with a little lime green fleece, it looked easy when demonstrated so I'm hoping I can do it unsupervised. Going to google any relevant videos just in case.

Foxyie
04-12-2008, 02:23 PM
congrats!

it can be a bit tricky at first but what reeeeeally helped me was to predraft ,predraft, predraft!

the sticky spinning thread on this section of the forum has alot of great and helpful links.

also, be sure to relax and have fun! :)

Lucy78green
04-13-2008, 03:44 PM
okay, what's predraft. I have spun the whole small bag of fleece I got with it, it's a bit "slubby" but I was told it would add character when I plied it. So how do I ply it - do I unwind the whole lot then divide it in the middle to wind it back on itself - that would take a lot of room.

Foxyie
04-13-2008, 05:29 PM
instead of getting all my words mixed up trying to explain.. here is a link

http://www.ispindle.com/predraft.htm

and i haven't ever plied on my spindle so i have no clue what to do there..heh

links!

http://spindlicity.com/winter2006/kick_start.shtml

near the end of this page there is some info on plying

http://www.handspinning.com/lollipops/spininst.htm

http://www.interweave.com/spin/spinoff_magazine/files/sum_07/Basics_sum07.pdf

hope that helps :)

Lucy78green
04-13-2008, 05:41 PM
I think the stuff I got wasn't carded thoroughly, it was just washed and diyd so it was a bit hard to get even so I did tug it a bit. I think I'll try winding it around something big! Trying to figure it out in my head first

Jenn_Knitter
04-13-2008, 07:56 PM
Congrats on your first spindle. Spinning is a lot of fun. To answer your questions as best I can here:

1. Pre-drafting is where you take a strip of roving (for a beginner you might want to start with a strip of roving no bigger around than your thumb) and separate the fibers. First you'll want to determine your wool's staple length. Grab the end of your bat or rolag (batts look like little flat, wide tufts of fiber. Rolags are in a "tube" shape) and give the fiber a gentle tug until it separates from your batt or rolag. Measure it in inches. That is your staple length. This will help you with both pre-drafting and while you're spinning, but I'll get to that.

Okay, so let's say you're working with a wool batt that has a staple length of five inches. Gently pinch the end of your strip of roving that you pulled off your main body of fiber between your tumb and index finger of your right hand. Now move about four to six inches up and pinch the fibers there with your left hand. Slowly and gently pull your hands apart just until you feel the fibers begin to slip past one another. Move your right hand up to just above where your left hand just was and your left hand accordingly and do it again. Don't pull the fibers too far apart. That will cause your strip of roving to break with you go to spin them. You just want to give it a slow, gentle tug until the fibers slip. Do this all the way up your length of roving. You'll notice it got a lot longer and it looks much easier to work with.

2. You can't ply from one single. If you really want to ply what you have now, you could try winding about half of the yarn you spun off the shaft of your spindle onto a toilet paper tub, cut it and then wind the rest off onto another toilet paper tube.

3. To ply you're simply going to grab the ends of your two singles, tie the ends together around the shaft of your spindle. Loop the two strands under the hook of your spindle and spin in the opposite direction you spun the spindle for spinning the yarn. Typically you put what's called an S twist in your singles by spinning the spindle counter-clockwise. When you ply you put what's called a Z twist into the yarn by spinning the spindle clockwise. By spinning the spindle in the opposite direction for plying you prevent the twist from leaving your spun singles.

Make sure as you're plying that you don't let the singles kink back on themselves. This will result in poorly spun spots.

Anyway, just continue to spin your plies together, letting the twist freely run up the strands and wind off onto the spindle when the strands gets too long to manage.

After you ply, you have to set the twist (otherwise your yarn will forever look like a pile of Ramen noodles, which also makes for difficult knitting). Using a Niddy Noddy or the backs of two chairs you need to make a hank, just like you find at the LYS. Make sure you don't make too short a hank. Your freshly spun yarn needs some length so that any spots that are too tightly spun can even out throughout the strand. Tie it together (there is a video on how to do this at iSpindle) and toss in a sink or basin filled with hot water. Let the hank soak for at least an hour. Try to resist the temptation to keep touching it. Just let it rest in the hot water. After some time has passed, grab it from the sink and gently squeeze the excess water out of it. Don't wring it out, which will cause it to felt. Then roll it up tightly in a towel to press out the remaining moisture. Then grab the end of your hank and give your yarn a few good whacks against the side of the tub, sink or a countertop. This is called "thwacking".

Hang dry with a towel underneath at least overnight. Do not weight the hank! Some older instructions call for putting a can of soup in the bottom loop of your hank. Don't do this. It will create unwanted tension at the bottom of your hank, thus weakening the fibers.

Once it's dry have fun with it.

sea-kayaker
04-14-2008, 08:41 AM
Yay! Congrats on your first spindle! I think all of your questions have been answered but... 2. You can't ply from one single. If you really want to ply what you have now, you could try winding about half of the yarn you spun off the shaft of your spindle onto a toilet paper tub, cut it and then wind the rest off onto another toilet paper tube.

I respectfully disagree with this. You can ply with just one single without having to split it in two. It's called Andean Plying (and variations on this method).
http://www.mielkesfarm.com/andean.htm
http://knitty.com/ISSUEwinter05/FEAThandyplying.html
http://www.interweave.com/spin/spinoff_magazine/files/sum_07/Basics_sum07.pdf
http://rosemaryknits.blogspot.com/2006/08/andean-plying-bracelet-simplified.html

Since you are starting with both ends of your single and working your way to the center there will be no waste.
Hope this Helps!

Lucy78green
04-14-2008, 02:48 PM
Thanks I tried that winding it round your hand thing, but ended up having to re-spin it backwards to get it to stay as the thickness is so varied. Off to soak it now, don't know if I have enough to do anything useful with but I just went and splurged on ebay so hopefully I will have more to play with soon.

Jenn_Knitter
04-16-2008, 12:55 AM
Yay! Congrats on your first spindle! I think all of your questions have been answered but...

I respectfully disagree with this. You can ply with just one single without having to split it in two. It's called Andean Plying (and variations on this method).


Oh gosh, you are absolutely right. Thank you so much for pointing that out. I did know about Andean plying, but I had a brain fart. I've never Andean plied before, so I totally forgot. :wall:

sea-kayaker
04-16-2008, 08:01 AM
Oh gosh, you are absolutely right. Thank you so much for pointing that out. I did know about Andean plying, but I had a brain fart. I've never Andean plied before, so I totally forgot. :wall:

:hug:

bethany
04-16-2008, 08:08 PM
I *highly* recommend this book. I have it, I love it! Spindles, wheels, wool prep, a glossary, great pictures....
Good luck!

http://www.interweave.com/spin/books/Start_Spinning/

Lucy78green
04-17-2008, 04:15 PM
I bought about 600g of this (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350037003428) on ebay. I also bought a flick carder. I am not sure if it needs much carding - don't have any leather though I think my dad might have some in the shed - how big a mess does it make???

Lucy78green
04-20-2008, 11:02 AM
I *highly* recommend this book. I have it, I love it! Spindles, wheels, wool prep, a glossary, great pictures....
Good luck!

http://www.interweave.com/spin/books/Start_Spinning/

Thanks, I just ordered that from Ebay!

Foxyie
04-20-2008, 06:33 PM
i just looked at what you bought on ebay.. thats roving.. it shouldn't need to be carded at all

KnittinMitchie
04-20-2008, 08:20 PM
From the looks of it the roving you bought is ready to go. :) Also a very lovely color.
If you are looking to buy roving Fiber Guilds are a great place to look. there are several here in my area and some of the people are willing to sell their sheep shearings to you. Only thing is make sure it is cleaned and carded into roving :)

Lucy78green
04-21-2008, 03:01 PM
I don't know if we have any Fibre guilds here, but I found a woollen mill online that sells carded wool and it seems cheaper than ebay so hopefully I might get some of that if I don't mess this stuff up. Seems to be working out better than the uncarded stuff I had but still isn't perfect yet - but it's very soft!!

KnittinMitchie
04-21-2008, 09:30 PM
you cant damage wool :) trust me. I did a number to the first hunk of roving when I was first learning :) I now have a completed and plyed skein drying