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cacunn
01-01-2009, 10:50 AM
I assume that this has bee asked before but my search has not come up with a answer therefore I will ask it.

Why do some patterns give the amount of yarn needed in grams rather that yards/meters?

While searching I found this appropriate statement by Knitasha:

Grams are a measure of weight.
Yards are a measure of length.
Apples and oranges.

If the pattern is using a yarn the for the number of Wraps-Per-Inch (WPI) does not weight much 50 grams of yarn may have 300 yards of yarn. A second ball of yarn with the same WPI but comes from a variety of sheep that has heavier wool may only have 250 yards for 50 grams.

Doesn't a pattern that calls for 50 grams of "X" yarn do a disservice to a knitter you may not like "X" yarn and wants to use another type? Especially, for a new knitter that does not have a lot of money or experience substituting yarns.

newamy
01-01-2009, 10:58 AM
It's another way of estimating amount. I find yarn weight useful in the following instance: I used some stash to knit a mitten. When I'm done I don't know if I have enough for a second mitten. So I weigh the first one and my remaining yarn to see if there is enough.

suzeeq
01-01-2009, 11:19 AM
Older patterns used to specify a certain yarn and tell you to use X skeins of it. It's much better when they tell you it's a certain yarn that comes in 50gm balls at xx yds/meters and to use X balls of it. But I haven't seen any recent patterns that only mention weight, just Elizabeth Zimmerman's and those came out in the 70s. If it's for a particular yarn, you can look up to see how many yds 50 or 100 gms has. Or maybe the pattern used handspun and the designer didn't know how long it was.

Jan in CA
01-01-2009, 01:39 PM
I prefer yardage as well so fortunately most yarns/patterns give both.

Marria
01-01-2009, 03:20 PM
The only modern patterns that I've seen which give weight instead of yardage are the ones in this book:

World of Knitted Toys (http://www.amazon.com/World-Knitted-Toys-Kath-Dalmeny/dp/0715312243/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230837291&sr=8-1)

The patterns are adorable, but I haven't made any yet because I've been too lazy to try to estimate the yardage. But like Jan said, the vast majority of modern patterns have the yardage too.

Plantgoddess+
01-01-2009, 05:11 PM
I look at the yardage per 50 grams and it gives me a rough idea of the weight of the yarn ie; fingering, dk, worsted, bulky etc. I then have an idea of what weight of yarn to look for in a substitute.

Marria
01-01-2009, 05:34 PM
You also want to look at what fiber it calls for, because some different types of fiber have different weights. That's another thing that drives me crazy about the book I mentioned--for the most part it doesn't even mention what type of yarn to use. Still, I couldn't resist the book because the patterns are too cute for words. :)

Lucy78green
01-02-2009, 01:37 PM
Most patterns in the UK/Ireland until recently only gave weight, probably because they are also assuming you are buying their recommended yarn.
My mum's rule of thumb she was taught was it takes one pound of yarn to made an adult jumper (sweater) but I suppose that depends on how big the person is too! I think yardage has only recently appeared on patterns here.
I have tried using some of my mum's older patterns that just says use X amount of balls of Y brand yarn without telling you if it's 4-ply, double knit etc so I made a jumper for a baby with DK and it should have been 4 ply so of course it was too big, but I figured he'd grow into it eventually!

sylvia
01-04-2009, 10:45 AM
ok so why does the yarn i want to buy is always in yds
yds mean nothing to me i need to know how many grams
i gues all of us use different ways to figure out what we need
but it never fails what i want is always in yards
sylvia:knitting:

suzeeq
01-04-2009, 12:06 PM
Many yarns are put up to be 50 or 100gm and it says so on the labels, but they also include the yardage because most patterns now let you know the yardage needed. It's a more reliable way to show how much yarn you need. Different fibers don't weigh the same. 50 gms of cotton may have only 85-90 yds, but 50 yds of a soft wool has about 120 yds, so if you need 8 skeins for a pattern that calls for wool, you'd need to get 10 or 11 skeins of the cotton if you were to substitute it. That's a big difference.

cacunn
01-06-2009, 08:33 AM
Older patterns used to specify a certain yarn and tell you to use X skeins of it. It's much better when they tell you it's a certain yarn that comes in 50gm balls at xx yds/meters and to use X balls of it.

Thank you for your response, however, but my question was prompted by new patterns and a response on another thread but one of the KnitHelp moderators.

In a pattern made available for this Holiday Season the follow was stated:

"Materials: DROPS ESKIMO from Garnstudio
100-150-150 g colour no 08, red
And use: DROPS PUDDEL from Garnstudio
50 g for all sizes colour no 01, off-white"

I note that the pattern was sponsored and given away from by the yarn manufacture and obviously want to promote the sale of their yarn.

cftwo
01-06-2009, 09:55 AM
Thank you for your response, however, but my question was prompted by new patterns and a response on another thread but one of the KnitHelp moderators.

In a pattern made available for this Holiday Season the follow was stated:

"Materials: DROPS ESKIMO from Garnstudio
100-150-150 g colour no 08, red
And use: DROPS PUDDEL from Garnstudio
50 g for all sizes colour no 01, off-white"

I note that the pattern was sponsored and given away from by the yarn manufacture and obviously want to promote the sale of their yarn.

I find that a lot of British patterns still use grams (or a number of balls of a certain weight). Someone upthread from Ireland said she's noticed that, too. When I find this, I usually end up looking up the yarn on Yarndex to find out how many yards and then working from there. But it does make translating a pattern to a different yarn of the same weight difficult.

ok so why does the yarn i want to buy is always in yds
yds mean nothing to me i need to know how many grams
i gues all of us use different ways to figure out what we need
but it never fails what i want is always in yards
sylvia:knitting:

When I first learned to knit (back in the early 80s), we did everything in ounces (so many ounces of yarn for mittens, for example). It was a challenge to make the transition to yards. I'll recommend Yarndex again as a tool to help with the translation.

suzeeq
01-06-2009, 11:18 AM
Yes of course yarn companies want to sell their yarn, but if you follow the links in the pattern to the yarn, or look them up on their site, you can find out the yardage in each skein and which weight it is. I think this is more of a European convention than in the US and Canada nowaday.

cacunn
01-06-2009, 12:53 PM
Yes of course yarn companies want to sell their yarn, but if you follow the links in the pattern to the yarn, or look them up on their site, you can find out the yardage in each skein and which weight it is. I think this is more of a European convention than in the US and Canada nowaday.


Again thank you for the information.

The intent of this question was "why make it hard on the knitter?" I can trace links, web search and convert from "A to B" with the best of them. But, I spend to many hours during the day working on computers doing searches for work and then trying to simplify this for others to want to do this at home when I am trying to have fun.

So; Note to pattern designers and publishers:

I for one will not use a pattern that does not include a length measurement. The yardage may be in addttion to grams, ounces, pounds, kilograms or metric tons, but if yards, meters, hectometers, miles or kilometers are not included I will pass it over.
This may be a convention but I for one belive it does a diservice to the knitting public.

PBELKNAP
01-06-2009, 01:38 PM
This issue always makes me crazy, too! :grrr:

One time, I was going to knit the Estonian Baby Blanket and decided I wanted to use Baby Ull. Yes, you guessed it...Baby Ull lists grams and the pattern listed ounces (or was it yarns?)! I just about had a fit at the yarn shop. Luckily, the owner took pity on me and calculated how much I was going to need.

Jan in CA
01-06-2009, 05:02 PM
"Materials: DROPS ESKIMO from Garnstudio
100-150-150 g colour no 08, red
And use: DROPS PUDDEL from Garnstudio
50 g for all sizes colour no 01, off-white"



What I do in this case especially is go to Ravelry and look up the yarn. It almost always tells you the yardage. In this case: