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JuliannaHeiby
02-28-2009, 04:05 PM
I've been browsing patterns today and I chanced upon a pattern that refers to "knitting into the back of the stitch".

As a self-taught knitter, there has been no one to correct me because

That's what I've been doing all this time!!!

Whaaaaat?!?! So, non-stop knitting since October, and every project has been kind-of wrong...:roflhard:

Since I'm in the middle of quite a few significant things, I'll carry on so the patterns aren't half and half. But! Once they wrap up, I'll be making the switch to knitting the way (apparently) the rest of the world has been doing for ages. It feels like the switch to digital.

I'm so ashamed...

thepurplegg
02-28-2009, 04:14 PM
Don't feel that way!! I knitted into the back of the stitches for a little bit too at first. I also wrapped my yarn the wrong way to purl. It's not about perfection. :D

Jan in CA
02-28-2009, 05:08 PM
It's not uncommon among new knitters. ktbl is a legitimate stitch...it's a twisted stitch that is sometimes used for various patterns. Now you know how to do it. :thumbsup:

OxxxAmandaxxxO
02-28-2009, 07:01 PM
I've been browsing patterns today and I chanced upon a pattern that refers to "knitting into the back of the stitch".

As a self-taught knitter, there has been no one to correct me because

That's what I've been doing all this time!!!

Whaaaaat?!?! So, non-stop knitting since October, and every project has been kind-of wrong...:roflhard:

Since I'm in the middle of quite a few significant things, I'll carry on so the patterns aren't half and half. But! Once they wrap up, I'll be making the switch to knitting the way (apparently) the rest of the world has been doing for ages. It feels like the switch to digital.

I'm so ashamed...


Please don't be ashamed! I have been knitting on and off for years (Just basic knit and pearl stitches.) and I found out through this site that I had been doing it wrong too! I was wrapping my yarn round the wrong way on both knit and purl.
I've just started a new project (A mantinee set for my soon to be new niece/nephew. :D ) and have to learn to kint the 'right' way as there are other sticthes in the pattern that require it to work that way. After all this time I now have to start knitting in a completely alien way! :?? :frog: :) (Sorry, I love smilies! :D )
At one point I have to knit into the back of stitches and after reading the instructions on this site I still have no clue as how to do it. Maybe your experience wasn't wasted after all as you could teach me (and others) how to do it. In return, if you ever need to be taught how to wrap your yarn round the wrong way whilst knitting, I'm your woman! ;) :roflhard:

suzeeq
02-28-2009, 07:15 PM
Okay, each stitch has a leg over the front of the needle, and one over the back. Generally, the front leg is closest to the tip and that's where most people insert the needle for a knit stitch. To knit through the back leg (loop) you knit into the leg behind the needle. This makes the st twist. If you wrap the purl sitch the other way, the back leg is closest to the tip. So you would knit into the back leg and that untwists it.

Hope that wasn't too much information to confuse you further...

Debkcs
02-28-2009, 07:20 PM
:roflhard:

I was doing that too, until I took a sock class. The instructor, looking over my shoulder looked mystified, "Why are you using twisted stitches?"

OxxxAmandaxxxO
02-28-2009, 07:28 PM
Okay, each stitch has a leg over the front of the needle, and one over the back. Generally, the front leg is closest to the tip and that's where most people insert the needle for a knit stitch. To knit through the back leg (loop) you knit into the leg behind the needle. This makes the st twist. If you wrap the purl sitch the other way, the back leg is closest to the tip. So you would knit into the back leg and that untwists it.

Hope that wasn't too much information to confuse you further...

Err, yes, but I'm easily confused! :whoosh: I think maybe I have been knitting into the back of the stitch too all this time. :aww:
When I do a knit stitch I insert the right hand needle behind the stitch then angle it and point it through so the right hand needle is below the left and looks like a cross.
I don't get the bit with the front leg being closest to the tip? I presume the 'legs' are just the front and back of the stitch, or left and right side? In my stitching, the loop is straight across the needle so they are an even length to the tip.
Maybe once I start knitting the right way I'll be able to work it out and see it more easily.
Thanks for trying anyway! :yay:

EDIT: Aha, I think I get it! It was maybe a translation thing. In my pattern it says 'tbs-through back of stitches,' but I just re-checked the Glossary and there it is termed 'through the back loop.' I presume this is one and the same thing?

suzeeq
02-28-2009, 09:24 PM
Yes, through back of stitches and through the back loop would be the same.

Jan in CA
03-01-2009, 12:00 AM
Here's a sample I did recently to show twisted stitches and how to correct them by knitting into the back loop.

johnjohn
03-01-2009, 03:27 AM
I too had been knitting "differently" than what is the norm. I found this site a while back and realized from the videos that I was knitting the wrong way. I had been knitting into the back of all of the stitches and purling my own way as well. All of the work I produced turned out fine.

I taught myself to knit when I was a kid. For the first while I did not even realize I was supposed to turn the work. I just knit back and forth from right to left and then from left to right! I found out about turning after a year or two. But without guidance, all the projects I took on for almost 20 years had twisted stitches when done in knit stitch!!!! In stockinette everything worked out fine, and I could tell no difference when doing other stitches.

The good news is that I have now improved my speed and learned to knit with the continental method. I also know now that what I produce will be up to snuff for the knitting aficionados out there!!!

:knitting:

OxxxAmandaxxxO
03-01-2009, 08:03 AM
:yay: Thank you ever so much for our help Suzeeq and Jan. I find it so much easier to see a visual too, that way I know I'm not making any mistakes! :D Thanks for posting the photos Jan, that was very kind of you. :) Also, sorry for hijacking your thread JuliannaHeiby! :aww:

I taught myself to knit when I was a kid. For the first while I did not even realize I was supposed to turn the work. I just knit back and forth from right to left and then from left to right! I found out about turning after a year or two. But without guidance, all the projects I took on for almost 20 years had twisted stitches when done in knit stitch!!!! In stockinette everything worked out fine, and I could tell no difference when doing other stitches.

Aww, johnjohn, that sounds so sweet and endearing! I admire your determination. :)
I've done the same too, like wrap the wool round the wrong way all this time and everything has turned out fine too. :) That was all your basic knit and Purl patterns though. I'm now onto more fancy stitches so have set myself a big challange but I'm enjoying it. :D

Woodi
03-01-2009, 09:13 AM
I find your post delightful, and funny! (but also sunny, cuz it has a happy ending).

It is so wonderful to have a forum where people talk about things like this, and get into the knitty-gritty of stitches, and with photos and videos - :woohoo:

Thanks for your honesty and sharing. It put a smile on my face this cold, freezy morning.

JuliannaHeiby
03-02-2009, 10:54 AM
Thanks, everybody! Glad to know that we had this little gathering of Twisted stitches! :twisted: Bwahahaha!

Many of you mentioned this little problem doesn't affect stockinette, but what king of fabric *would it affect? Meaning, aside from looking a little different, does twisting sts on the k side cause any pattern to not work?

Happy knitting today, folks!

suzeeq
03-02-2009, 11:44 AM
It can sometimes cause an item to bias. Like T shirts whose seams don't hang straight but go at an angle.

JuliannaHeiby
03-03-2009, 11:03 AM
OK! I have noticed that! Mysteries solved! Thank you!

JuliannaHeiby
03-06-2009, 10:26 AM
UPDATE!

I frogged the minimal progress I made on the TeddyBear and cable sweater and restarted it last night- the right way!

WOW! it was like knitting for the first time again. It looks so much better and even though it's slower than I'm used to, I love the results. And yes, it does run straighter. There isn't a bias to the fabric.

Thanks for the support and for not laughing at me!