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Marg1e 05-08-2013 09:31 PM

done like a dinner, without help ...
My huge knit-in-the-round pattern has finally got me.
I've reached the stage where I've done the lower part of the body: I now have 252 stitches, which I've separated off onto two different circular needles (don't have a big enough holder), and the directions refer to either half. This is where I come to a dead halt:
"Using spare pieces of yarn, provisionally CO 34 stitches to each end of the needle, at both left and right sides of your work. With RS facing you, move the 34 CO sts from the left side of the needle to the right side, knit the first 3 CO stitches so there are 3 more stitches at the end of the RS row, turn to beging Row 1, leaving the rest of the CO sts in place."
I have NO IDEA how to do this. I've cast on the 34 sts at each end of one of the circular needles, and that's as far as I can get. I can't work out how to do the rest.
Can anyone help, please?

GrumpyGramma 05-08-2013 09:42 PM

Is this starting sleeves? I'm lost but that info might help someone else.

GrumpyGramma 05-08-2013 09:49 PM


With RS facing you, move the 34 CO sts from the left side of the needle to the right side,
you now have all 68 provisionals on one end, you're looking at the RS

knit the first 3 CO stitches so there are 3 more stitches at the end of the RS row,
knit 3 more stitches on the completed row

turn to beging Row 1, leaving the rest of the CO sts in place."
Turn, sort of like short rows, but the provisional cast on is what you're ignoring, work the row in pattern with the three you just knit before turning making it 3 stitches longer.

Maybe? I'm guessing you knit 3 from the provisional cast on and turn when you get to the end.

Someone who knows something will tell you what it means, surely.

Marg1e 05-08-2013 10:18 PM

The thing is, I can't make sense of which is the right and which the left.
I must assume the 'RS' in question is the RS of the half I'm trying to get started, as opposed to the other half, standing by for later work on the other needle.
So: I have all 68 on the beginning end?
That's where it all goes wrong for me. If I'm already at the beginning end, how do I "knit the first three sts so that there are 3 more sts at the end of the RS row"????
And if go the other way and have the 68 sts on the end of the row, that doesn't make sense, either.
I'm going bonkers.

GrumpyGramma 05-08-2013 10:25 PM

What I'm thinking:

Your working yarn is on your right needle. The provisional stitches are on the left needle. You can then knit 3 stitches onto the right needle before turning.

Half as clear as mud? I fear that if I were looking at it, it wouldn't make sense to me at all. I'm undoubtedly missing something and had better bow out before I make things that much worse.

You will get it worked out!

Marg1e 05-08-2013 10:32 PM

Can't get it, GG - sorry. My problem is that I'm using a circular needle and I just don't know what's meant by left or right.
And I can't see any logic in the instructions.
The yarn has been cut: the directions telling me to "use spare pieces of yarn" for the CO at either end of the needle indicate as much.
I simply cannot make sense of the instructions; and, with regret, I have to admit to not being able to act on your advice.
I think I'll go away and slit my wrists.

GrumpyGramma 05-08-2013 11:06 PM

Did you use the same yarn as the sweater for casting on those new stitches? I took "Using spare pieces of yarn, provisionally CO 34 stitches" as meaning waste yarn for a provisional cast on like Provisional Crochet Cast-On or some other method, of which there are many. You cut the yarn but the tail would be at the end of the last row you worked and that was the right needle, was that a right side row?

Blood stains on yarn aren't good. Someone here will be able to help. Is there anything at ravelry about how it's done, maybe? I really don't know how to use most of the features there so wouldn't know how to find out. BTW I was thinking is all. For advice, you need someone who knows more than we do!

Marg1e 05-08-2013 11:20 PM

Good GRIEF! - I had no idea that such a thing existed!!!
I did wonder about the use of the word, but never did it occur to me to ... well, look it up as a knitting term.
I'll have a re-think.
Ravelry? - I'm not a member. I was, but in a forum therein I found such silly people that I lost my temper and cancelled out of everything.
I really do hate a silly person. I don't mean someone who doesn't know something; but someone who is thoughtless, and leaps to conclusions without pondering for even a moment, thus arriving at a belief based on an empty head.
Waste yarn, eh? Provisional casting on ...
There is obviously no end to what I have yet to learn, GG. You're not on video Skype, are you ...?

GrumpyGramma 05-08-2013 11:34 PM

Video Skype? Nope. I think I could be now that I have an EVO Android phone that can go online even if I never get phone service with it. It has a camera! I use ravelry for looking at patterns, I did post a few times on one forum but that's it. It's too big, too intimidating, and too confusing for me. There's a forum I thought of participating in but the knitting and crochet questions are all together it seems and you don't know till you get there which it is. Silly can be fun in it's place but sometimes silly really means someone doesn't use the brain they were born with and that's hard to abide.

I've decided I'm only going to knit until there's nothing new for me to learn. The provisional cast on just happened to be one that I have learned already and the video I linked to is the only one I've used.

Marg1e 05-08-2013 11:37 PM

There is A WHOLE WORLD of provisional casting on out there!
One lot with a crochet hook (which would be less complicated, for me) and another with just a knitting needle, which looks much worse than learning to long-tail CO.
To think of my ignorance makes me blush.
But then I figure that it was simply a matter of lack of experience; and though I'll be 70 in July, it's never too late to be inexperienced!
Yer a hero, GG, and that's a fact.

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