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dlgil1234 05-24-2007 12:01 AM

Difference between M1 and YO
I'm relatively new to knitting and have previously used yo to increase a stitich. Is there a difference with M1, and if so, how do I use it. Also, when casting on, is that usually considered the first row.

Thanks in advance.

Braden 05-24-2007 12:06 AM

A M1 is simply a twisted yarn over. A yarn over is simply a M1 without the twist. The M1 is demonstrated in all of EZ's books, and as well as on here. If you are comfortable using the yarn over increase, just knit or purl into the back of it when you come to it again, and it will look just like the make one.

Hope that helps!

nuknitter 05-24-2007 12:17 AM

Hey Conti -just for my own edification - a simple YO will leave a hole, right? Like an eyelet? A M1 will not make a hole, right? :think:

And dlgil - I'm not well-versed in all the MANY versions of casting-on (or off), but I'm pretty sure that a long-tailed cast-on will count as the first knitted row, but others may not.

Need more experienced input on the cast-on question! I'd like to know too - thanks! ;)

hunterjenn 05-24-2007 01:02 AM

Whether the CO row counts as row 1 or not is up for debate, no matter the cast-on method. I say no, but it doesn't really matter.

M1 can mean many things, and is usually defined specifically in your pattern. If it's not, though, then use the M1L (aka M1F) on this page. A YO does leave a hole, and a good M1 should not.

Braden 05-24-2007 01:09 AM

But, if you knit into the back of a yarn over, it will not leave a hole, and is almost identical to the make one. If you work a yarn over normally, it will not leave a hole.

hunterjenn 05-24-2007 01:16 AM

Really? That's cool. :thumbsup: I'm confused, though, about how you knit into a wrap the yarn and then knit into the back? :??

ETA: Doh! I was thinking of a YO combined with a decrease, which is what leaves the hole. I'm a dork! You're totally right--of course a YO would work, too. :oops:

suzeeq 05-24-2007 01:21 AM

No, you yo over and go on; it's the next row you knit into the back of it.

And most people don't count the CO as a row.


Braden 05-24-2007 01:28 AM

That's what I was saying. You yarn over on one row, and then when you come to it again, knit or purl it into the back loop. :thumbsup:

nuknitter 05-24-2007 01:46 AM

You know what HJ, that's exactly what I was thinkin' - double DOH! ;)

hunterjenn 05-24-2007 01:55 AM

:teehee: We'll be dorks together! :D

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