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jenwith4kids 08-04-2007 09:31 PM

sleeves - flat or in the round
 
How hard is it to convert a pattern for knitting sleeves flat to do it in the round on circs?

I have been working on this sweater FOREVER!! It's with sock yarn and size 2 needles; I'm knitting a cardigan in 9 mo size. I've finished the back and both front pieces. The second front was the hardest as it took me awhile to figure out how to reverse the pattern correctly.

Anywho, it's time for sleeves. I'm thinking I can knit both at once except that I can seem to picture how that would work and I'm almost through my first skein so I couldn't start and end with two skeins simultaneously. Then I thought maybe I could do it in the round, but I have no idea how to convert the patter.

All that said, I can't really picture how to do the pattern as it's written sine I have never increased yet either!! What the heck does it mean to increase one stitch at the each end of row 3 (I think that means you are adding 2 stitches) and every following 4th row 6 times. ?? Does that translate to: add a stitch at the beginning and end of row 3 AND row 4 and after that only on rows 8, 12, 16, 20, 24 and 28?

Then it says to INC every 6th row 4 times (I assume that means add only one stitch, NOT at the beginning and the end). Next it says simply this: "66 sts. Work even until sleeve meaures 6.5 inches" I think that means that I should have a total of 66 stitches to work until the given length. If that's true, when I do the math (in my beginner head) I'm two stitches short.....

Back to my initial question - will it be easier in the round?

If it helps, the pattern is Black Purl, Sock it to me Baby..K5 (http://www.knittingzone.com/catalog/...ducts_id=8184)

I think the baby will be born before the sweater is done!!

thank you!!

G J 08-04-2007 11:29 PM

I've knit sleeves in the round and liked it. No seam! If it's a set-in sleeve, here's how I do it:
Since you don't need the seam allowance, reduce the number of stitches by 2.
CO the required # of stitches.
Join, placing a marker at the join.
On your increase rows, k1, inc1, k to last 2 sts, inc. 1, k 1. You can choose your increases from the instructions on this page.

I THINK you can do both at once if you use magic loop like you do two socks at once, but I haven't done that.
Have fun!

MerigoldinWA 08-05-2007 01:40 AM

I think you could do the sleeves in the round if you wanted to, but you might want to do it like they say so you don't have to do anymore thinking than you have too. :) But if you're up to it, go for it. I went and looked at your little sweater and I'm thinking that the patterns in the sweater are produced by the yarn itself and not color work, is that correct? That makes it that much easier. What GJ said will work if you choose to do a sleeve in the round.

I wanted to speak to the other questions you had about the increase instructions. When it says to increase at the beginning and end or row 3 and each following 4th row 6 times it will mean to increase at each end of row 3, then NOT on rows 4, 5, and 6 but again on row 7 which will be the 4th row after row 3. So every increase row will fall on an odd row. The increases will be on row 3 first, then rows 7, 11, 15, 19, 23, 27. That will be the 6 times. And then it says to increase every following 6th row 4 times. You will want to increase at the beginning and end of the rows still or it would make the sleeve uneven. Those will fall on rows 33, 39, 45, and row 51, again all uneven rows.

You said the way you had it figured out you would be 2 stitches short. Well, if you increased at the beginning and the end those last 4 times you would gain 8 stitches over the course of those 4 increase rows. And the way I outlined for the first part you would produce 7 increases at each end for a total of 14. 14+8= 22.

The way you had it figured was increasing on rows 3, 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, and 28, at each end, for 16 stitches gained, then increasing the last 4 times only at one end, for a total of 4 more. 16+4= 20.

So you see, the way I suggested gives the 22 you are looking for. :thumbsup:

It's a cute little sweater. That real fine yarn is why it is taking you so long, but the result will be nice. In the picture of the one on the baby the little sweater looked real short in the sleeves and the body. Maybe they only had one size sweater to choose from for the picture, and one size baby, and they did not match. :lol: IOW maybe the baby is too big for the sweater and that explains it. The 6.5 inches for a 9 month size doesn't seem too bad, but if you have a little more yarn you can always make the sleeves a little longer without it causing any trouble if you want to.

I guess it is okay if the baby comes before the sweater is done, since it is a 9 month size. :X: You'll make it.

jenwith4kids 08-05-2007 08:05 AM

OMG, Meri...THANK YOU!
 
I am going to print out your post and keep it with me! Maybe the sleeves won't take so long! I agree, the sweater in the photo looks too small for the baby wearing it. My pieces appear to be a decent size, though maybe too small for a 9m old... we'll see!

Thanks again and have a great day!

MerigoldinWA 08-05-2007 11:53 AM

You're welcome!


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