your Hint of Spring Socks! You're welcome for what little I did. Shandeh, one of our mods, made the videos, I'm sure she'd love to hear that you found them so helpful, all I did was provide the link. Honestly, I've not even watched all of them. I'd found a toe-up tutorial/pattern/recipe that I was already using when I came across them but I know she's a fantastic teacher. Doesn't it feel great to succeed so beautifully? Shandeh will be so pleased!