I need to get sock circs, from the smallest size to I guess size 3, and I keep putting off. Any chance things will allow you carry them before too much longer, Sheldon? You looked a lot more closely than I did at those needles. LOL I really do think they're the same too. I wonder if Knit Picks has seen a drop in sales or an increase in returns since, reputedly, their needles aren't what they used to be.