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Old 01-07-2013, 01:53 PM   #1
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...never asked this before...
I'm a knitter by nature, crochet somehow escapes me for the most part. I can do it but... I have probably the silliest question in the world but I have to ask:

If the pattern says ch 26, does the loop you start with in the beginning count as one or zero? In other words, do I start with, "...two, three..." when counting the actual hooking or, "one, two, three..." etc.?

Not knowing things like this is why I knit,

but, I'm going to make a toilet seat and tank top cover and I cannot find any such pattern for knitting but one, and it isn't really pretty. I'd love to crochet this kind, or the other crochet ones I've seen in the old time crochet books online everywhere, with roses etc in/on them, but ... that's like wanting to fly to the moon at this point in my needlework journey. I've found a simple enough one for my level of inexperience... I hope!

Thanks for the answer in advance... I'm sure you're all just dying to say...
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"If the pattern says ch 26, does the loop you start with in the beginning count as one or zero?"

Do you mean your slip knot you have on the hook to start chaining? No, it does not count. One will be the first loop you make after that. I cheat. I make extra chains in case I miscounted (counting sts is much easier than counting chains) and then undo the extras. Better yet at least for me, whenever possible I would use Single Crochet Chain aka Foundation Single Crochet



"Not knowing things like this is why I knit, " I find it's easier to follow a knitting pattern than a crochet pattern. With some crochet patterns I've worked I have problems with getting the last sts at the end of a row right and want to turn before the row is finished. I don't know why. Sometimes learning to fudge a bit, as with the number of chains, helps. Having extra chains is much better than being a few or even one short when you need a really long chain (say 100+) to start.
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Ahhh... so that's a foundation sc... I always thought that was what my mom called a half-double crochet. I looked for videos on that but couldn't find it. I'm not adept at wording things simply. Ask anyone, lol. Just last night dh said, "You take 100 words to say something that can be said in 5." So, I asked him how and for the life of me, I can't remember what he said. Must be my mind was off in the ether again... actually, I was concentrating on how and what stitch I would use to make... play trumpets now---

Bath towels. Yep. Bath towels. They are getting way too expensive for decent quality so I've decided to make all my own towels and washcloths, dishcloths, etc.

One of my dreams ... one of the miracles I want to perform before I leave this planet for good is make a beautiful lace tablecloth. My mom made one and it's just a joy to behold.

Anyway, yes, the slip knot is what I'm talking about. I'm following the patt best as I can but am not sure about how I'm doing, lol. I just learned to make the loop stitch today... it was like grinding rocks in my head, lol. I now have a row of 9 loops, ranging in size from 1/2 " to 1 1/2". My first loop row. I'm going to save it. It looks horrible, lol. But I got 'er done!

When going around and around, how do you keep track of what row you're on?! I get so lost making doilies and that's just my creations of messes that look like drunk spiderwebs.

You are so helpful. I don't know what I'd do without ya, GG

Thank you!
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:18 PM   #4
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so that's a foundation sc... I always thought that was what my mom called a half-double crochet.
Depends where in the world you are. The UK and US use the terms differently -

UK sc = US slip st
UK dc = US sc
UK tr = US dc
- and so on, though I'm not sure where hdc fits.
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Originally Posted by suzeeq View Post
Depends where in the world you are. The UK and US use the terms differently -

UK sc = US slip st
UK dc = US sc
UK tr = US dc
- and so on, though I'm not sure where hdc fits.
As if I wasn't already confused. *laughing* Thanks... I don't know either. I wonder if it's the old fashioned way of saying something else, like the tights/leotards conundrum. What do they call treble crochet in UK?

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I don't know what trc is in the UK, haven't crocheted since I found there was a difference, and haven't used British patterns. Ahh, found this chart, they call it a double treble.
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Here are three videos by Teresa on the single, half double, and double crochet foundation stitches. This gives your work a more flexible edge. It also saves time by doing the chain and first crochet row in one step.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A83tz...5F0D5&index=76

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEBR6...5F0D5&index=75

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCm1m...5F0D5&index=74
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[quote=fatoldladyinpjs;1365744]Here are three videos by Teresa on the single, half double, and double crochet foundation stitches. This gives your work a more flexible edge. It also saves time by doing the chain and first crochet row in one step.


This is so awesome! I can't believe I have been crocheting for all these years and have never learned these stitches Think of all the time & unraveling I could have saved when doing afghans!
Thank you so much for sharing the links!

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[quote=RosieoinIdaho;1367269]
Originally Posted by fatoldladyinpjs View Post
Here are three videos by Teresa on the single, half double, and double crochet foundation stitches. This gives your work a more flexible edge. It also saves time by doing the chain and first crochet row in one step.


This is so awesome! I can't believe I have been crocheting for all these years and have never learned these stitches Think of all the time & unraveling I could have saved when doing afghans!
Thank you so much for sharing the links!

You mean the foundation stitches? Yeah, for all the years I crocheted w/o them.... I knew there must be a way, was told by someone that they'd seen it done, and finally stumbled across it online. Love those foundation stitches.
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:46 AM   #10
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One interesting note about the foundation stitches: I've read that they were first seen in books from the 1950s; however, in looking through antique crochet books, I found it in books from the early 1900s. It probably originated long before that, though!

Isn't it fun to be a part of such a long history--a history where there's nothing new under the sun, and yet, everything about it is still new and exciting?
I know! And to think men knitted and crocheted before women did. I read about it in a Canadian knitting book. When men made knitting machines women took up the craft of hand knitting so it wouldn't die out. wtg women!

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I have read that the fsc and fdc are used in filet crochet and some of that is done with very thin thread. That's been around a long time so it may have originated with filet crochet then crossed over to other uses. I dunno. Interesting to think about. Being knotty can be so much fun.
Ah... just the thing I was thinking about. The toilet tank thing isn't going very well. I keep messing up the count between the back row dc twisties. Not easy. 12 solid hours yesterday and never got past the first 15 rows. Very sad and frustrating. I'm about ready to go plain but... I really would love to do a filet crocheted rose for it. That would be ornate! I looked up on youtube and the filet crochet looks worse than rocket science.

[quote=RosieoinIdaho;1367269]
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Here are three videos by Teresa on the single, half double, and double crochet foundation stitches. This gives your work a more flexible edge. It also saves time by doing the chain and first crochet row in one step.


This is so awesome! I can't believe I have been crocheting for all these years and have never learned these stitches Think of all the time & unraveling I could have saved when doing afghans!
Thank you so much for sharing the links!

My problem is I can't see any links. Have I gone blind or just stupid from crochet fever? I want to do that casting on/first row operation. But thanks a million for the links. Soon as I find them I'm going!
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