Joining beginning to end on circular needles

[thibaud1995]

Help! I am working a hat pattern that calls for casting on 72 stitches on circular needles, then P 1, K 1 all the way round. I can't seem to join stitch 1 with stitch 72 without its coming undone a couple of rows later. Any ideas? Thanks

[suzeeq]

Which CO are you using and how do you knit into the 1st st? And do you start with a slip knot? You may just have a long gap between the 2 sts, which you can snug up by knitting the first st, then pulling the yarn to make sure the last st is tight to the first one. One way to join is CO an extra st and knit it together with the first stitch, makes the join nice and snug.

[thibaud1995]

Long tail CO. I purl into the first stitch. Do you mean start the CO with the slip knot (yes) or the round (no). I think my problem is I have a long gap that I don't tighten up well enough. I like your idea about an extra st!!! I am a new knitter so I hope I answered this properly.

[MMario]

Another "extra stitch" cast on when joiin in gin the round

I like to cast on that extra stitch, then slip the last stitch over the first stitch and give it a tug to tighten up.

[cheley]

Are you joining into the end of your first row? Another words hold your two needles, the end with the "working yarn" is your beginning (that would be my right hand) on the left needle is your end of the row...put the right needle into the left needle first stitch, pull tight, you should see the join immediately, then continue on and you should see you work looking like a "circle"..make sure not to twist your stitches, then watch the video (on circ knitting) here on the forum...Help any?

[OffJumpsJack]

Long tail CO. I purl into the first stitch. Do you mean start the CO with the slip knot (yes) or the round (no). I think my problem is I have a long gap that I don't tighten up well enough. I like your idea about an extra st!!! I am a new knitter so I hope I answered this properly.

I think it is caused by the Purl into the Long Tail CO. Remember you are joining on the RS. My new understanding of Amy's video and personal experience tell me one should only Purl into a LTCO from the WS. Amy has another video for an alternate cable CO for 1,1 or 2,2 rib. You reverse the LT CO for the P's by first drawing from the finger then crossing to the thumb. (off to get links to insert.)

I say this because I had a mess when I tried knitting into the WS of a LTCO. A k on the WS is the same as a P from the RS.

Having said that I would ask, is your pattern written for use with circular needles and the LT CO?

Somehow, I discovered that k in the WS of a LT CO causes it to come undone. I am sure doing a P into the RS of the LT CO would cause the same problem.

--Jack.

[MerigoldinWA]

Jack,

A long time ago the lady who owned a local yarn shop here told me that actually the first row after a LTCO should be a purl row (this is flat knitting). This makes the work more overall flat on the knit side and places all of what I call the "purl bumps" on one side. But you can begin working a knit row after the LTCO if you want to and you can certainly do K1, P1 ribbing beginning with either a K or a P without it causing any trouble. Woring in the round doesn't change that. You can start right off with st st after a LTCO or do a ribbing and get no problems.

Somehow, I discovered that k in the WS of a LT CO causes it to come undone. I am sure doing a P into the RS of the LT CO would cause the same problem.

I certainly have never seen this to be the case. I wonder if what you are calling a LTCO is not really a LTCO.

[OffJumpsJack]

Jack,

A long time ago the lady who owned a local yarn shop here told me that actually the first row after a LTCO should be a purl row (this is flat knitting). This makes the work more overall flat on the knit side and places all of what I call the "purl bumps" on one side. But you can begin working a knit row after the LTCO if you want to and you can certainly do K1, P1 ribbing beginning with either a K or a P without it causing any trouble. Woring in the round doesn't change that. You can start right off with st st after a LTCO or do a ribbing and get no problems.

I certainly have never seen this to be the case. I wonder if what you are calling a LTCO is not really a LTCO.

Well I though it was a LTCO (working flat) and Amy does include the note about purling after the LTCO (as it would be row 2 and WS). But, hey, I'm new to knitting so I get one free pass on making mistakes right?

Mia culpa.

Perhaps I am thinking on the single cast on (also called backward loop) CO. I remember that one kept growing a long float between my left and right needle! I hadn't dropped any stitches because the count on the left (to be knit) and the count of the right (already knit) added up to the total sts CO.

The only CO video here on KH that I can find now with a k p rib variation is the cable CO (and maybe the knit CO) but I didn't check that. So maybe my memory banks are getting half-zimers (I only forget half the details, or half the time).


--Jack

[suzeeq]

My new understanding of Amy's video and personal experience tell me one should only Purl into a LTCO from the WS.
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Somehow, I discovered that k in the WS of a LT CO causes it to come undone. I am sure doing a P into the RS of the LT CO would cause the same problem.

Uhhh, no. Most of the time when I work in the round, I purl the first round, and that wouldn't cause the first st to come undone anyway.

Could be that when thibaud is getting around to the last st, it's managed to drop off the needle and cause loose strands of yarn

[cheley]

Uhhh, no. Most of the time when I work in the round, I purl the first round, and that wouldn't cause the first st to come undone anyway.

Could be that when thibaud is getting around to the last st, it's managed to drop off the needle and cause loose strands of yarn

You always "purl" the first row when in the round? No/matter the pat? Could I ask "why"?