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Old 07-23-2008, 04:34 AM   #51
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Hi

Sorry but all this talk of the Yarn H**lot or should that be Har*** or maybe even Y***

(I dunno who's finding what offensive here, so I'm taking no chances)

had me heading over to this:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ptXjgnzkxv8

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fDp6rOg0AmM

I really enjoy this one (it's about knitting) even though it has the dread word "colourway" - I won't get into THAT, let's just say it chauves me

Go to bottom of page and click on link - takes a minute to download but well worth the wait ....

http://www.theanticraft.com/serendip...-Knitting.html

All the Best

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Old 07-23-2008, 05:31 AM   #52
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I've recently gotten a Pattern Catalog with lots of yarn pics in it, and I sat for over half an hour drooling over the pics. I stopped because I felt too much of a guy (I definatly was NOT reading the articles ). So to me yarn porn makes perfect sense.
And as pointed out, Sex of any kind is ment to be an enjoyable activity, even if it is acting as an acranim. it's not ment to be something offensive (Unless it's you walking in on your partner with another person with out your consent :violin: then it's offensive)
people keep taking NORMAL words and twisting them into something offensive. I had a conversation with my aunt in which I said "I think I'll get a male coz I don't really want another bitch." she got offended and she knew we were talking about rotties (Dogs).
Political correctness is getting WAY over the top.
If you don't like these terms, flick over and disreguard them. Use another term (SEEx) and see if it catches on. But you don't need to be offended because it is not intended to offend. However if someone calls you a b*tchy h*rlot, Stab 'em with your knitting needles.
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Old 07-23-2008, 05:36 AM   #53
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I don't find any of the terms offensive, and think particularly that 'yarn porn' is a fun way to describe the drooling over pretty things other people have. I don't have any particularly negative connotations for porn, though. I don't generally read the Harlot's blog, but when I do I think she's funny and sweet. There are things I find offensive on forums and even in this thread, but I get that they're my issues and choose to ignore them.

On the whole, I think the terms porn, SEX, harlot, bitch et al have done wonders for dragging knitting out of the 'grannies with nothing better to do' stereotype and made people feel more courageous about knitting in public or wherever. I think it's the language of revolution - you need to use highly emotive words to get people to sit up and take notice, and then those people can go do what they want with it, whether that's adopting those terms or something different altogether. But the shock value needs to be there first, to get the conversation started :-)
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Old 07-23-2008, 05:54 AM   #54
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Originally Posted by Limey View Post
Hi

Sorry but all this talk of the Yarn H**lot or should that be Har*** or maybe even Y***

(I dunno who's finding what offensive here, so I'm taking no chances)

had me heading over to this:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ptXjgnzkxv8

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fDp6rOg0AmM

I really enjoy this one (it's about knitting) even though it has the dread word "colourway" - I won't get into THAT, let's just say it chauves me

Go to bottom of page and click on link - takes a minute to download but well worth the wait ....

http://www.theanticraft.com/serendip...-Knitting.html

All the Best

Ellie

I vowed some pages back to remove myself from this conversation least the moral majority have me stoned and taken to the pillary but I gotta say these clips are a HOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for starting my day with a laugh.

How anyone can watch her and be offended is beyond me!!!!!!!!

I say lets stick to knitting chat and send this thread over to "Off Topic" discussions where it belongs, this surely has nothing to do with knitting.
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:01 AM   #55
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Originally Posted by MMario View Post
pornography is usually a visual medium meant to stimuate the senses and desires of the viewer. As such, pictures of luxery yarns, knits, etc are very accurately titled "porn"

I know many people take offense at stitch n' bitch as they feel the title refers to the women who knit - though the term is at least 45 years old (and probably much older - my grandmother said it was in use during WWI though I can't verify that) and referrered to gathering to do needlecraft and the gossip/complaint sessions that went along with them.

Children need to learn that words can have many different meanings and in one usage can be perfectly acceptable and in others verboten.
The word may have been in use during WWI but you wouldn't have seen it on the front of a book, or heard it used in every day language unless they were referring to a dog. Words do mean many different things and context is king.
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:27 AM   #56
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I guess my view of it is like my husband's. He came up on me one day a year or so ago and saw the word porn on this site. He said to me "porn on a knitting site? What are you reading?!!". I explained to him that someone thought it was funny to name pictures of their stash porn. He asked me if they also name pictures of their kids kiddy porn and rolled his eyes. I guess some will think it's funny, witty or whatever. Some of us think it's stupid.
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Old 07-23-2008, 11:45 AM   #57
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As with all debates , i think that this one is one that people will never agree on .
People have different beliefs and opinions on many things and this is no different .
For me personally it does not offend in anyway , infact it had not even crossed my mind until this thread went up .
These words are used in this context not as being vulgar in my mind . No malicious intent is meant .
Just my opinion
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i dont like the SEX thing, i can't remember what it stands for actually, but that is because it is often written in capitals and reminds me of some of the unsavoury spam that occasioanaly turns up in my mailbox.

'Yarn Porn' does not offend me. i think it is a funny way of describing some pictures of gorgeous yarn. some people will sit and drool at pictures of semi-naked pwomen/men. we sit and drool over pictures of gorgeous yarn. I can understand though that if you find all pornography indiscriminantly offensive that you may find the use of the word porn associated with yarn distastful though. However i dont so in turn i dont.

Yarn Harlot: the term doesn't offend me but i do find it tacky.

Stitch & Bitch: ok i swear like a sailor sometimes, i am also very aware of words having different usages and efinitions depending on contexts. I am also aware that there are people whos vocabularly may not be sufficient to know this (including but not limited to childeren) and there are those who despite being familiar with different usages, still do not like certain words. therefor i try and limit searing to certain situation, groups of people or int he case of ambiguous words, contexts (Bitch being a prime example).

I am not 100% comfortable with the word being used on books etc as it is perfectly readable by many people some of whom i may not be suitable for as i describes above. that particular word is becoming more acceptable as a simple advective or verb in modern language and is loosing some of it's offensiveness, but i am not sure that having it in bold type on book covers is yet truely apropriate.
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:16 PM   #59
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The word may have been in use during WWI but you wouldn't have seen it on the front of a book, or heard it used in every day language unless they were referring to a dog. Words do mean many different things and context is king.

I beg your pardon, I should have made it explicit I was referring to the entire PHRASE "Stitch and Bitch" which, according to my grandmother was in use during world war one. I *KNOW* the phrase was in reasonably common use during the late 1950's and early 1960's in New England; and in the '70's in NY state.
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The word may have been in use during WWI but you wouldn't have seen it on the front of a book, or heard it used in every day language unless they were referring to a dog. Words do mean many different things and context is king.
There's a lot of words that were hidden away and not in everyday language 80-100 years ago, even 30 years ago, that are commonplace today. In the Victorian era, piano legs were covered because they were legs, which were referred to as limbs because legs was considered an indecent word.
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