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Old 11-19-2009, 08:40 AM   #1
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New breast cancer recommendations
What do you all think of these? (Don't get mammograms until you're 50 and don't do self-exams, for those that haven't heard.)

If I was the paranoid conspiracy theory type that I am I would think this is a taste of what government healthcare will be. The same stuff HMOs do that cost lives but worse.

Mammograms aren't perfect for both false positives and negatives, that costs money with further testing so they throw the baby out with the bathwater to save a buck. If it costs lives so be it.

What really makes me think that way is the self-exam part of the new recommendations. Why on earth would they say not to check yourself for suspicious changes? Shouldn't everyone be doing that to every part of their body?
"Ehh, don't bother keeping an eye on any moles."

Everyone I know who's had breast cancer had it before they were 50. Those that have died from it didn't catch it early.

I'm waiting for them to come out with a similar recommendation about not checking for testicular cancer until after 50 since it's extremely rare after 40 and has a good cure rate if caught early.
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Old 11-19-2009, 10:12 AM   #2
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One of my closest friends just died of breast cancer. She was 48. She never even knew she HAD breast cancer! She started having severe abdominal pain, went to the doctor, underwent testing, and was found to have cancer that had metastasized from her breast to her liver. She died within 6 months. Her family thinks she hadn't had a mammogram and probably never did self-breast exams.

The new recommendations are unsettling. Very unsettling.
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Old 11-19-2009, 10:57 AM   #3
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i think it's a bunch of bull.

If they want people to wait until 50, then maybe they should go and talk to breast cancer and inform it that it's not allowed to show up until the woman's at least 51....


i'm 30, i've checked EVERY month since i was 18 (i don't have a medical history from my biological sperm donor's side).
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Old 11-19-2009, 11:06 AM   #4
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I think that the actual real life evidence shows how wrong the new recommendation is. A local new story here said about 14% of women were dx either by self exam or mammogram under the age of 50.

If it were possible to further sort out risk groups so that only certain women need to be checked that would be great. But there are always those surprises so who can really say?

Also there are the rare cases of really young women getting cancer and men sometimes get breast cancer too, no one ever talks about that. A mammogram wouldn't work for them though! Just in case you didn't know this was possible read the brief link.

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/co....asp?sitearea=
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Old 11-19-2009, 01:12 PM   #5
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I hadn't heard that new recommendation. Does that mean the new government health care would not allow mammograms for women younger than 50? I do not agree with that. And if you get a mammogram at 50 and learn you have cancer would it be too expensive to treat at that time?
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Old 11-19-2009, 01:52 PM   #6
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I hadn't heard that new recommendation. Does that mean the new government health care would not allow mammograms for women younger than 50? I do not agree with that. And if you get a mammogram at 50 and learn you have cancer would it be too expensive to treat at that time?
The reports were "from the government" yesterday.
Naturally people don't like it so now it's claimed that was "from an independent" and the government is saying nothing has changed. But Sebielius is also claiming that was GWB appointees what issued it, seems they can't make up their mind if it was an independent or government. Whole lotta backpedaling going on.

Now that I've read todays news on it conflicting with yesterday's news the conspiracy theorist in me thinks this was the government issuing it through someone they could deny to see how bad of healthcare they can get away with.

Nobody knows what the new healthcare will be and yesterday didn't say mammograms would be denied with it. It just said the new recommendations were not to get mammograms or do self-exams before age 50.
Yesterday it was official, today it is not.
Even the group that issued the recommendation is doing some backpedaling today.
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Old 11-19-2009, 02:03 PM   #7
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I had not seen this either, but it doesn't surprise me. If we don't test before 50 and don't find anything questionable; it might be beyond a certain stage (when found) that the new medical insurance will agree to pay for. Therefore, we might be selected not to receive needed treatment.

Americans need to wake up and realize that a mandatory health care system will become selective at some point in time and there will be those that will receive lesser care and followup or none at all for certain problems.
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Old 11-19-2009, 02:21 PM   #8
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BWHAHA I highly doubt it has ANYTHING to do with mandatory government healthcare and everything to do with the ability of the insurance company being able to cover even LESS women's preventable care than they already do.

Women who have to pay for their own healthcare that is not provided have to specifically search for insurance that will cover women's preventative medicine. Most insurance won't even cover maternity. It's ridiculous.
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BWHAHA I highly doubt it has ANYTHING to do with mandatory government healthcare and everything to do with the ability of the insurance company being able to cover even LESS women's preventable care than they already do.

Women who have to pay for their own healthcare that is not provided have to specifically search for insurance that will cover women's preventative medicine. Most insurance won't even cover maternity. It's ridiculous.
It was state by state but many places have mandated that insurance covers mammograms and PSAs. I think that was going around in the '90s. Only one state does not mandate mammograms be covered. Many places also have free screenings.

Insurance shouldn't cover maternity without an additional rider. It's not like babies happen randomly by pollen floating in the wind.
IL also mandates maternity care coverage, 18 states do.

There's more to this than we've been told. I can understand saying mammograms aren't reliable enough (my sister had a lump that the mammogram wouldn't pick up after they already knew it was a lump) but why say not to do self-exams? And why would the government be the one to say it instead of someone like the Cancer Society or Komen?
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I am concerned as breast cancer runs in my family. I looked up what the policy is in the UK (I am not sure this is true, as I don't live there or know anyone who does), but just by looking into it on a few websites, I read that their Gov't healthcare system there has guidelines of offering mammograms only to women aged 50-70 and only every 3 years!! I read that they were thinking of extending this to aged 47-73 year olds. Is this what we have to look forward to with Govt healthcare?? There is a diffence between having to pay for it yourself and having it not available at all.
I would like to do some research into what exactly is offered in the UK and Canadian Govt healthcare system in regard to mammograms. Does anyone have knowledge of this?
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