11-17-2010, 11:15 AM #1 cldpsu Casting On   Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Guy knitter needs help! I'm not sure if anyone found it strange last night to see me knitting while drinking coffee at a cafe, but I enjoyed every minute of it! I just joined with hopes of becoming a better knitter. My main concern right now is to find a pattern similar to an aesthetic I enjoy and eventually understand the logic by examining garments. I understand the idea behind gauge, but I can't find information regarding its numbering system in the retail world. The reason I ask is because I like this particular feel/tension. It seems a very standard gauge size is "3", at least for Jcrew's knitwear. I'm not exactly sure what they mean by that. The first two links give you an idea what I'm talking about: http://www.jcrew.com/mens_category/s...2297/32297.jsp http://www.jcrew.com/mens_category/s...2265/32265.jsp Is the following 12 gauge sweater a 1x1 rib?: http://www.jcrew.com/mens_category/s...2689/32689.jsp It looks like it, but I guess the two yarn colors are throwing me off. Plus, I'm ignorant on the matter : p My other question is whether anyone knows of any patterns that look like these or where I can find them myself? Thanks for your help, Cristian

 11-17-2010, 11:36 AM #2 hyperactive Working the Gusset     Join Date: May 2010 Location: Germany Posts: 1,097 Thanks: 104 Thanked 238 Times in 220 Posts Hi! that gauge thing trows me for a loop. I do not know what they mean by 3-gauge. A layer 3 I know (you find that a lot in outdoor gear. Base layer, layer 2 (the sweatshirt, for example), layer 3 the light jacket.... but 3-gauge?) We determine gauge differently. The standart measure is stitches per 4 inch and rows by 4 inch so you measure a square of 4 by 4 inches of your knitting and count the stitches and rows. you find a lot of patterns online (they each give their gauge within the pattern). But really, what you will be looking for is more the feel and thickness of the yarn and its quality, not so much the gauge itself. You probably have not heared of ravelry.com? you can sign up for free. There are now more than 1 mio. people signed up. It is a forum of every type, a market place - and, important for you, also brim full of patterns. I found a few links for you. But you may have to sign up to see the results. overview: overview http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/libr...llama-cardigan http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/manos-for-a-man http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/libr...cable-cardigan http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/libr...c-oak-cardigan http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/libr...rlito-cardigan oh, and don't worry, a lot of us get looks when knitting in public, but you know... why not. For questions in the knitting world, in any case, you have found THE PLACE here! Just ask for whatever you need. Mostly someone will promptly jump out and help on. Have you checked out the free videos here? Most people learn a lot from them - or at least spot a bunch of things they had not thought of, forgotten or not paid enough attention to. __________________ Continental Knitter with passion, pretty busy and always onto something new. I have been away from the forum for a bit, but I am still around!
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 11-17-2010, 11:49 AM #3 Mike Working the Gusset     Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: IL Posts: 1,313 Thanks: 77 Thanked 387 Times in 289 Posts Your handknitter's guage is dictated by your yarn size and needle size. If you go too far out either way with too big of needles and too small of yarn or too big of yarn and too small of needles you either end up with too loose or too tight. If you ignore the guage in the pattern going for a certain feel the pattern won't fit unless you make adjustments. Just do what the patterns say to do for a while. Don't worry about what a "3" is. The feel you are after probably has more to do with the fiber. Here is a free Shawl collar. http://www.berroco.com/exclusives/kyle/kyle.html A bunch of free patterns, http://www.knittingpatterncentral.co...s_clothing.php __________________ Petroleum based knitter, removing that nasty oil from the ground one skein at a time. YouTube channel
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 11-17-2010, 12:09 PM #4 suzeeq Knit On!   Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 27,765 Thanks: 160 Thanked 6,457 Times in 6,038 Posts The 'gauge' referred to in the J crew sweaters is not the same thing as hand knitting, probably more like the gauge on the knitting machines that made them, or possibly the yarn weight. Yarns labeled 3 or 4 refer to the weight of the yarn, and while they do have a gauge and needle size on the label, that's more to put it into a weight category (sport, worsted, bulky). You should go for the gauge on the pattern. Everyone knits with a different tension, even with the same yarn and needle size, so that's why you should try out different needles until you match gauge. __________________ sue- knitting heretic
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 11-17-2010, 05:37 PM #6 MMario Turning the Heel   Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 685 Thanks: 7 Thanked 193 Times in 176 Posts The "gauge" refered to in the ads is a measure of the fabric weight; grams per 100 sq. cm I believe __________________ MMario - *REAL* men knit LACE
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 Originally Posted by suzeeq The 'gauge' referred to in the J crew sweaters is not the same thing as hand knitting, probably more like the gauge on the knitting machines that made them, or possibly the yarn weight. Yarns labeled 3 or 4 refer to the weight of the yarn, and while they do have a gauge and needle size on the label, that's more to put it into a weight category (sport, worsted, bulky). You should go for the gauge on the pattern. Everyone knits with a different tension, even with the same yarn and needle size, so that's why you should try out different needles until you match gauge.
I agree with Sue. The 'gauge 3' and 'gauge 12' used by J.Crew is not a reference to any common measure of sts or rows per inch/cm nor do I think it is any common needle size.

It might be from the old UK ply numbers that can be seen in this UK to US knitting conversion table. I zoomed in on the images on the fist gauge 3 link and the last one which was described as gauge 12 and the stitches were small for 'gauge 3' and larger for 'gauge 12' image. Consider that the first was a "...3-gauge knit. Superfine alpaca/wool/acrylic." Superfine fiber would sound appropriate for a fingering weight yarn. While the last link said, "constructed from unexpectedly soft lambswool in a lofty 12-gauge knit." Sounds more likely for an Aran weight yarn.

Gauge is a common word for measures of thickness (such as metal plate or wire) or diameter.
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 11-18-2010, 01:57 AM #8 cldpsu Casting On   Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks to everyone for the replies. Luckily, I've recently come to understand the hand knitter's gauge system, although your posts were a good reminder of what I need to know. One question I have in mind regards to a pattern suggesting a particular gauge. Let's say I pick up a worsted that is requiring US 8 and X stitches per 4 inches, yet the pattern, using the same yarn, suggests a different gauge. Is it correct to think a looser/tighter effect is desired in the pattern? Couldn't I still take the pattern for its aesthetic that I might enjoy and recalculate things with the standard gauge recommendation written on the yarn? See you around!
 11-18-2010, 09:19 AM #9 suzeeq Knit On!   Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 27,765 Thanks: 160 Thanked 6,457 Times in 6,038 Posts You go by the gauge on the pattern generally. The gauge on the label is more to classify the yarn weight and so you can substititute similar yarns. You can recalculate the sts in the pattern; I've always done this because I don't like using a size 8 with worsted weight yarn, preferring a much looser knit on larger needles. That's where you take the sts/inch you get with your yarn and needles and multiply times the finished measurement of the item to get the number of sts needed to make it that size. Sometimes, another size of the pattern (if it's a sweater) will use close to the same number of sts you need and you can follow those directions, adjusting the length to that of your original size. __________________ sue- knitting heretic

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