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Old 07-20-2011, 03:06 AM   #1
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terminology questions -- edge and ribbing
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Is there a special name for the 'edge stitch', the one you always slip at the beginning and always purl at the end?

Also, I wonder what you call a double layered ribbing, the one you can insert elastic in? I am not familiar with these terms in English and most patterns don't specifically name them.

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Old 07-20-2011, 04:22 AM   #2
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Sometimes patterns call for a selvedge stitch at each end of a piece but often it's just called an edge stitch. Whether you slip that st at one end or purl the st at the other end depends on how you want the edges to look. If the edge shows in the finished knitting or you want to pick up sts in the slipped sts or you just like the look, then go ahead and use it.
I've seen 'casing' used to describe the opening for elastic in ribbing or other knitting, just as in sewing.
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Old 07-20-2011, 08:02 AM   #3
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I believe the double layer ribbing you are talking about is called a tubular cast on. It's my favorite one to use for hats.
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Oh, it that the 1x1 ribbing when you knit the knit stitches and slip the purl stitches?
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you can do it somehow by knitting the knit stitches and puling the purls, but I do it this way:

http://knitty.com/ISSUEfall05/FEATfall05TT.html

It takes some practice, but I think it's worth it in the end.
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Well, I first assumed it's just for leaving live stitches but now I have to go and try it

My ribbing just has two 'walls', they are separated, not connected and knitted at the same time. and it's super easy to make. it looks puffy and doesn't stretch so much. and you can put an elastic in if you wish.

You do exactly this:

cast on even number of stitches

1r sl1, k1p1* p1.
2r sl1, k1, sl1 (keep yarn in front of the stitch) * p1.

continue for even number of rows (8-10 for elastic) or till you are bored

(does it make sense? in other words, cast on the even number of stitches. in each row, always slip the first stitch, always purl the last stitch to make the edge. make the first row as 1x1 ribbing (k1, p1). 2nd row to 10th row -- knit the knits and slip the purls.

I might come back and post my results of both methods if I manage yours

oh, and mine doesn't look like a tube, because of the edge it's 'sewn up' on the side so elastic will have to be squeezed in with a safety pin through one of the ugliest edge stitches and it takes twice as many rows to make, so for a ribbing to look '10 stitches tall', you have to knit 20.
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Tubular cast on worked fine, it feels like the ribbing has two layers but they are interconnected. I took a picture without SD card (duh!) and frogged that patch cause it was my working yarn for the current project If I manage to get the photo from 'internal memory', it will be posted here.

However, my 'tubular' ribbing is an actual 'tube'

It looks just like tight ribbing


but if you pull the needle, it opens up


and you can insert something in there


Of course, there is no need to take the needles out, it's just for demonstration. Normally, it would continue as pattern goes.
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ok, here is the other ribbing that bean0bean suggested





and upon closer examination, I think this ribbing might be better because my purl stitches are fake Upon closer examination of my first sweaters, it seems that this tubular ribbing (shown in white) tends to shrink vertically a bit on the bottom. It just happened that I made very first sweaters with it and didn't notice right away. But the ribbing on the sleeves still looks fine
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That's double knitting in your example with white yarn, and it's not the same as a tubular cast on. With a tubular CO, you cast on half the sts and inc on the first row. Sometimes it's like double knit, but only for a row or 2, it doesn't continue up to make 2 separate RS faces of knitting.
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yep, I can see it now. the increase comes from picking up those purls on the bottom, right?

And my 'ribbing' is not 'ribbing' at all So that's how it came about:
-mom, what's the most durable ribbing?
-double ribbing, instructions as mentioned above folow.
-thanks!

It was half a year ago and I only made scarfs before. So I just take it 'as is', do it, it looks good, no questions asked -- up until now

and after watching those videos I realize that I come from a different knitting planet... like my stitches are 'flipped' according to everyone else, while I find it super easy to see what you do... and on 'my planet' (Eastern Europe) I am doing everything correctly...

well, I am so glad to find this website -- so much to learn
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