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 09-05-2012, 06:25 PM #1 PearlB3 Casting On   Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: N.Arizona Posts: 20 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post New to sweaters, need help with this pattern Im a somewhat beginning knitter. Ive done a few projects. Mostly socks.I want to start learning how to make sweaters. My main weakness is gauge and knowing if Im measuring it properly I need help with this pattern. The gauge is 17 sts / 24 rows = 4” in Rev St st on US 8s. 1. I dont understand the 17.I dont know how that divides properly, does 17sts = 4"? And how many sts pr inch is that? Im getting 4sts to an inch on size #8 needles, which I think is close enough. This is where Im at in the pattern, and Im making a size small, the 1st number. 2. The instructions say: Neck shaping Continue to work armhole shaping as given for back. AT THE SAME TIME, shape neck: (RS): Work 33 (38, 47, 46) [36, 41, 45, 48] sts. Joining a second ball of yarn, BO 4 (3, 3, 4) [4, 3, 3, 5] sts; work 33 (38, 47, 46) [36, 41, 45, 48] sts. Dec 1 st at neck edge every 4 (2, 2, 2) [4, 2, 4, 4] rows 9 (1, 2, 2) [11, 2, 15, 13] time(s), then every 6 (4, 4, 4) [6, 4, 0, 6] rows 2 (12, 12, 13) [1, 12, 0, 2]time(s): 17 (18, 18, 19) [23, 24, 25, 26] sts rem. Work even until armhole measures 8¼” (8¾”, 9”, 9¾”) [9”, 9¼”, 10¼”, 10¾”]. At 4sts to an inch I calculate that the 8 & 1/4 is 34 rows. This calls for 4 rows times 9 (36), and then another 6 rows times 2. Which goes way over the 8 & 1/4 according to my calculations. So is the pattern wrong, or am I reading it incorrectly? Also Ive got the back done already. If I just decreased every other row, instead of follow the instructions, would the v-neck come out okay? Thank you in advance

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 09-06-2012, 12:17 AM #2 salmonmac Moderator Mod Squad   Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,511 Thanks: 368 Thanked 1,937 Times in 1,853 Posts Ok, gauge is important. 17st/4" is 4.25sts/" but no one measures gauge over one inch. You want to cast on 20-24sts and knit in reverse st st for about 4". Then measure the middle 4" and see how many sts you're getting. That's a more accurate estimate of gauge. 4sts/" might not be ok to use but you can figure out from the number of cast on sts, how wide the sweater will measure. Even a quarter of a stitch/inch can make a difference over the number of cast on stitches. You don't want the sweater to end up too big. Usually you can drop down a needle size to see if you get closer to 17sts/4". Remember too that the stitch gauge is 17sts/4" but the row gauge is 24 rows/4". When you calculate that way it comes out to 8.25 inches is about 50 rows which is comparable to the 36+12=48 rows the pattern is asking for.
 09-06-2012, 12:21 AM #3 Ingrid Moderator Mod Squad     Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Pleasant Valley, NY Posts: 29,227 Thanks: 16 Thanked 2,009 Times in 1,673 Posts Gauge is important if you want your sweater to be the right size. For example, if you have to knit, say, 100 stitches at 17 stitches per 4 inches, your piece will be approximately 23.5 inches wide. At 20 stitches per 4 inches, it will be 25 inches wide. The more stitches, the greater the discrepancy. If the total sweater had 200 stitches around, you'd have a difference of 3 inches. So to get correct gauge you need to knit a square a little more than 4 inches wide and count the number of stitches over the 4 inches rather than per inch. Stitches aren't always exactly the same size, so counting over 4 inches gives you a more accurate gauge count. Row count isn't as important since you can always knit more or fewer rows to get the length you need. However, in this case, 4 stitches per inch doesn't tell you the row gauge. Your row gauge is 6 rows per inch (24 rows per 4 inches.) So if you don't mind your sweater being wider than the pattern states, you can stick with your current gauge, or if you want it to be more accurate, go down a needle size. __________________ "Trust the pattern!" Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana. Hop aboard while we follow the cloud-covered van of knitting harmony, man!! Woooo!! --Hedgehog IngridKH on Ravelry
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Thank you, this is the info I needed.

 Quote: Remember too that the stitch gauge is 17sts/4" but the row gauge is 24 rows/4".
 Quote: Row count isn't as important since you can always knit more or fewer rows to get the length you need. However, in this case, 4 stitches per inch doesn't tell you the row gauge. Your row gauge is 6 rows per inch (24 rows per 4 inches.)

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