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Old 01-08-2013, 12:01 PM   #1
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Joining work on circular needles with only 8 stitches
I'm trying to make a beanie and uses 3.5mm and 4.5 circular needles, 16"or preferred length if using Magic Loop method?????

With main color and larger needles cast on 4 sts and begin increases
Rnd 1: kfb into each st. (understand this part).Join to work in the rnd, placing st marker to mark beg of rnd. = 8 sts.

Got 8 stitches. I just can't join these 8 stitches on my circular needle and have asked numerous knitters and we just can't figure out how?

Can anyone tell me how I can join 8 stitches on a circular needle?

Rnd 2 and every even row: Knit
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:15 PM   #2
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I am not sure but do you have that size of dpns? This is why when I make a beanie I use 2 circular needles the same size. After a bit of knitting you could go to the Magic loop when you have plenty of stitches.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:25 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by ChatyKathy View Post
I am not sure but do you have that size of dpns? This is why when I make a beanie I use 2 circular needles the same size. After a bit of knitting you could go to the Magic loop when you have plenty of stitches.
OMG! I don't start with circular needles like the pattern says.

"With larger needles and MC, CO 4 sts and begin inc's:

Needles: sizes 3.5mm and 4.5mm circular needles, 16: or preferred length if using Magic loop method.

I started with 4.5 mm circular needles and can't join these 8 sts.

What type of needles should I be using? double pointed needles? I'm so confused
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:30 PM   #4
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How long are your circs? Pull out the cord about halfway around and scoot the sts toward the tips, folding the work. Then take another needle to join and work the next round. If you just have a longer one in the same size, join with magic loop - pull out the cord and push half the sts toward the needle, loop the R hand needle, fold the work in the left hand and join.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:30 PM   #5
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I'm not sure why they told you to CO 4 and then increase to 8 and then join the work in round... but whatever. Maybe the writer figured 4 stitches was too few to work in the round without things being awkward?

There are several methods of small diameter circular knitting demonstrated here. Of all of them, my go-to method is Magic Loop (the video demonstration is excellent and much more effective than any textual explanation), and I've started it with as few as 4 stitches (though 8 is much more common). The problem you might run into trying to join in round this way is that the increases you've already done might have tightened the existing stitches to a point where it's tough to get them up the back side of the needle tips. That's common in top-down hats when you're just starting out and the increases are close together like that.

You might also be able to CO 4, divide for ML and do the increases with the work already in the round (though that seems like it'd give you an awfully pointy ... point on top) OR, just CO 8 and be done with it. If the purpose of the exercise was to not leave a hole in the top of the hat, you can accomplish this a LOT more easily by threading the CO tail (or another piece of yarn) through the first 8 stitches with a yarn needle (tapestry needle) and pulling the hole closed like a drawstring. That would also avoid the conical point you (might/probably will) get with the 4-stitch CO.
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:32 PM   #6
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That's true, it may be easier to just CO 8 sts, then join.
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Old 01-10-2013, 11:40 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by suzeeq View Post
That's true, it may be easier to just CO 8 sts, then join.
Thanks everyone. I watched the video on Magic Loop which helped me so much. Thanks so much for the help.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:14 PM   #8
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I don't think these are beginner instructions. It takes some skill to do something like that. I have a toe up sock pattern (my own made up one) that starts out with a cast on of 4, increase, and join. But I also have several years experience doing magic loop with circulars. The first few rows are tight. But you have to keep plugging in there. I think the reason for the 4 stitches is to reduce the hole on top. I cast on 4, join, increase stitches, then pull the tail tight to close up the hole at the end of the first row.

For what it's worth, I think the patterns tell you to use 16 inch circulars then switch to double points for the decreases so they can sell you more needles. I use 32 inch circulars for hats and that's because that's the longest one that came with my set. Eventually, I want to get a 40 inch. I use traveling or single loop for the main body of the hat and switch to magic loop for the decreases.

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Old 01-10-2013, 11:42 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by fatoldladyinpjs View Post
I don't think these are beginner instructions. It takes some skill to do something like that. I have a toe up sock pattern (my own made up one) that starts out with a cast on of 4, increase, and join. But I also have several years experience doing magic loop with circulars. The first few rows are tight. But you have to keep plugging in there. I think the reason for the 4 stitches is to reduce the hole on top. I cast on 4, join, increase stitches, then pull the tail tight to close up the hole at the end of the first row.

For what it's worth, I think the patterns tell you to use 16 inch circulars then switch to double points for the decreases so they can sell you more needles. I use 32 inch circulars for hats and that's because that's the longest one that came with my set. Eventually, I want to get a 40 inch. I use traveling or single loop for the main body of the hat and switch to magic loop for the decreases.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyd0BkKC8tU

Is the toe start your invention? I'm trying to think how it works so I can try it. I saw a sock pattern for top-downs that ended with pulling the yarn through the last stitches as for a hat and was wondering how to make it work toe-up. I even thought about a provisional cast on and then adding the toe, but I don't think I like that idea. It is possible for a circ cable to be too long for comfortably MLing I found. I had to tink mittens and wanted to use a smaller needle so I used another cable which was loooong and decided that's not a good way to go. LOL
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Is the toe start your invention? I'm trying to think how it works so I can try it. I saw a sock pattern for top-downs that ended with pulling the yarn through the last stitches as for a hat and was wondering how to make it work toe-up. I even thought about a provisional cast on and then adding the toe, but I don't think I like that idea. It is possible for a circ cable to be too long for comfortably MLing I found. I had to tink mittens and wanted to use a smaller needle so I used another cable which was loooong and decided that's not a good way to go. LOL
My Kninja Master always uses a seamless cast on for toe-up socks. it leaves no holes to close up and no CO bumps to worry your toes either. She showed me how to do it, and I could probably do it again if I thought about it real hard, but I'm not sure I can describe it accurately. As I remember, you just wind the yarn in a figure 8 around both needles with the loop that comes over the top of the top needle slanting knitwise ("\") and once you have enough wraps, just pull out one needle and start knitting. Seems like I saw a video for something called "Turkish cast-on" that was similar too -- may have been here actually, but I'm not sure. That one can be done on one or two circs, and I think it was invented using two, but somebody figured out a way to do it on one... or something. It's all kind of hazy now. But that should give you something to Google anyway. Seems like Wendy just called the version she uses a "Figure 8 CO".

As far as the CO for the hat goes, I'd just CO 8 sts, join and go, then close up the hole by threading the CO tail or another piece of yarn though the CO sts and pulling it shut like a drawstring bag. (I have a pet name for the technique, but it's a bit ... indelicate.)
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