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Old 08-08-2007, 08:40 PM   #61
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Gosh.. I thought my posts were actually topical and reasonable. Rules are only rules in terms of interpretation.
My apologies if I became too heady.
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Old 08-08-2007, 09:26 PM   #62
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Originally Posted by Susan P. View Post
Gosh.. I thought my posts were actually topical and reasonable. Rules are only rules in terms of interpretation.
My apologies if I became too heady.
You're posts were too heavy (?) ? What'd I miss; what'd I miss?? I didn't see anything wrong/heavy/offensive about them.
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Old 08-08-2007, 09:49 PM   #63
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I think the wording of the pattern and key instructions could be the issue. If your pattern has a different CO number or a different brim or decrease it would be your own. If you have the pattern word for word like hers there is no way of proving that you did it on your own. At least that is my understanding.
just wondering...so modification is allowed?...

i think the conclusion is ask the writer......especially when i know i got inspired by her/his work...
what i concern is sometimes we just don't have to see the 'master' pattern to make something...it's like we can figure out the pattern in our head, especially for common form.like skull hat or beani...

i one day found that there's a hat quite similar to my hat...while when i made that hat, i didn't see any pattern...i just tried to use my first circular needle and making hat with bobble and ribbing...decreasing...

so, it's like publish racing, isn't it?...who publish first, won the racing a.k.a patent/copyright!

this topic really help me to see deeper that it's really-really strict about knitting copyright/patent...it's like ...
hyaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

i've never seen like this before in my country, really...i have a local crochet book...the writer didn't apply any rule about using the pattern...i don't think she cares...but to publish/copy the book without permission is illegal...so, seems like it's the book publishing that matters...not the material (crochet stuff)...

it's really an educating topic!...because i'm planning to learn all knitting from western books, including making projects that are in the books...even may be not many people here will notice where the project comes from, but i want to make ethical business if i want to sell those projects...

but yes...my obsession in knitting is making my own design......but the road to get there is stilll loooonnnggggg, lonnnngggggg...need to learn more and more...try many types of yarn...never give up in knitting! yes!
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Old 08-08-2007, 09:52 PM   #64
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Originally Posted by ekgheiy View Post
You're posts were too heavy (?) ? What'd I miss; what'd I miss?? I didn't see anything wrong/heavy/offensive about them.
I don't know either. This whole topic went well beyond what I intended, but I don't really care. I just wanted people to know that there is an issue and to be careful.
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Old 08-08-2007, 10:45 PM   #65
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Jan..from my perspective my posts embraced your intention. I was simply saying there are mechanisms to argue that doing a pattern for someone else is not breaking the rules as such. Get the other person to buy the pattern. And the issue of 'not for profit' is actually not that clearcut as I tried to explain through an analogy. I explored the issue because if someone here was accidentally caught out or held accountable by a pattern designer - and that person had honestly NOT set out to defraud but were innocent in intention e.g. making an item for a charity - they might have some mechanism to argue their case. You raised a really important issue and I simply explored it further.
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Jan..from my perspective my posts embraced your intention. I was simply saying there are mechanisms to argue that doing a pattern for someone else is not breaking the rules as such. Get the other person to buy the pattern. And the issue of 'not for profit' is actually not that clearcut as I tried to explain through an analogy. I explored the issue because if someone here was accidentally caught out or held accountable by a pattern designer - and that person had honestly NOT set out to defraud but were innocent in intention e.g. making an item for a charity - they might have some mechanism to argue their case. You raised a really important issue and I simply explored it further.
That's fine! I didn't criticize you or anything did I?
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