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Old 09-04-2010, 09:13 PM   #1
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So, I think this pattern is just not written all that well. Knitters who have years of experience on me were having trouble deciphering the first part of the pattern. I even had one sit with me, read the instructions out loud to me, watch me as I do it, and go, "What the he--?" when we reached the end and the stitch count was wrong. Looking back on that first part --- now that I understand it --- I can think about ten ways it could have been written more clearly. So this is where I'm coming from.

Now on the piece of the pattern that is currently trying my patience. This is for the earflap of a hat. The pattern is written:

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Cont to work back and forth in garter st as follows:
Inc row 1 (RS) Sl1, (k1,yok1) in next st, purl---5 sts. Knit next row.
Got that.

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Inc row 2 (RS
) Sl1, k1, m1, k to last 2 sts, end M1, k1, p1 -- 7 sts. Knit next row. Rep last 2 rows 4 times more, then inc row 2 once, end with RS row --17 sts. Place sts on holder.
The italicized part is where I'm having trouble. I have 5 sts on my needles to start with. So, I:

stitch 1 --- slip
stitch 2 --- knit
stitch 3 -- knit one, make one (+1)
stitch 4 --???
stitch 5---???

There are only two stitches left! How do I "Knit to the last two stitches" if there are only two stitches? Am I supposed to return the stitch 3 stiches to the left needle, then knit those two, and then return to the rest of the pattern?

For those playing at home, this is number 9 in 60 Quick Knits: 20 Hats, 20 Scarves, 20 Mittens in Cascade 220

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Old 09-04-2010, 11:11 PM   #2
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This row is meant to be repeated (I bet that's what it says next) so don't worry about the 'knit to last 2 sts part' for this row since that's what you've got left, that's just how they worded it to be repeated. Just m1, knit and purl and you're done. Then go on to the next row.
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Old 09-05-2010, 02:53 AM   #3
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Inc row 2 (RS) Sl1, k1, m1, k to last 2 sts, end M1, k1, p1 -- 7 sts.
These instructions work over 5 stitches and produce 7 just like the pattern says they do.

The problem you may be having is that you are using the wrong increase. It calls for a M1 which is an increase that makes a stitch between stitches and doesn't eat into the stitch count at all. You can use the inc where you lift the strand of yarn running between the left and right needles and knitting it so that it twists. This is found in the free videos on this site under "increases". There are two different ones that slant left or right. Look for M1R (also called M1B) and M1L (also called M1F) Or you can use a simple backward loop over the right hand needle, this is the first increase on the increase page.

When you use a M1 between stitches you have:
st 1: slip
st 2: knit
M1 between stitches
st 3: knit (after this st you still have 2 left, so you k to last 2)
M1 between stitches
st 4: knit
st 5: purl
Now you have 7.
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Old 09-05-2010, 07:30 AM   #4
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That may be the case with the increase instructions, but the last pattern I did that involved the same row being increased multiple times was just so much clearer. That pattern was written something like:

Row 1 instructions, end with k1, p1
Repeat row four times, knitting to last two stitches, end w k1 p1

So effectively, they wrote the multiple increase row with the knit to last 2 stitches indicated separately, which AVOIDED THIS CONFUSION!!!!

Also, given the problems in reading the earlier part of this pattern, I'm really not sure that M1 is referring to increasing between the stitches. Previously, there were increase rows where the writer intended for the stitches to be increased in one stitch, but no one read it that way because it wasn't clear. So based on that, I really am not positive she is using M1 the way you guys are reading it. I'm sure how you're reading it is right normally, but this writer seems....not to be using abbreviations correctly.....
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Yes, some writers use m1 to mean increase, but is there a guide to stitches for the pattern that explains which she means? If you do m1, the row comes out correctly though, not if you use kfb. But it was written so future rows could say 'repeat R 2' when there were more sts involved where the 'knit to last 2 sts' could be 3 or 5 sts. The fact this doesn't have extra sts to knit can be ignored and just do the last 2 sts.

I've seen many patterns written similarly, where they say 'repeat from *' and there's not enough sts to repeat the first time you do the row.
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Old 09-05-2010, 10:13 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by suzeeq View Post
Yes, some writers use m1 to mean increase, but is there a guide to stitches for the pattern that explains which she means?
No.

As far as I can tell, this is the only pattern by her in the book, too. The instructions at the front do say M1 means Make one knit stitch, but she really seems to be freewheeling against that.

(And my grandmother who's been knitting for more than 60 years is confused by this pattern writing too, so I really don't think it's just me.)
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Well, the sts for R 2 work out by using a m1, not kfb for the increases. That's another way to check which one is meant.

And actually R 2 does make sense - Sl1, k1, m1, k to last 2 sts, end M1, k1, p1 -- 7 sts. - after you use 2 sts and inc, there's 3 sts left so you knit to the last 2 (k1) then k and p.
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Old 09-05-2010, 11:03 AM   #8
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Well, the sts for R 2 work out by using a m1, not kfb for the increases. That's another way to check which one is meant.

And actually R 2 does make sense - Sl1, k1, m1, k to last 2 sts, end M1, k1, p1 -- 7 sts. - after you use 2 sts and inc, there's 3 sts left so you knit to the last 2 (k1) then k and p.
I was taught when you made a stitch it went on the right needle, not the left, still leaving only two stitches on the left needle. Meaning, make a stitch, then knit and purl based on what you're saying. Are you saying, make, then knit the made stitch, then knit, then purl?
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No, the new st always goes on the R needle unless you're casting on or the pattern says differently. So you slip the 1st st, knit the 2nd, inc by picking up the yarn strand between the st you just did and the next one (or you can do a backward loop). Then you k1, make another st and have the 2 sts left. You're still thinking of kfb for the increase, which sorta works out, but it puts the inc after the 3rd st instead of before it, and then you don't have another st for the 2nd increase. Using the m1 puts the incs in the center of the piece with 2 sts on either side of them and the k1 in the middle.
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No, the new st always goes on the R needle unless you're casting on or the pattern says differently. So you slip the 1st st, knit the 2nd, inc by picking up the yarn strand between the st you just did and the next one (or you can do a backward loop). Then you k1, make another st and have the 2 sts left. You're still thinking of kfb for the increase, which sorta works out, but it puts the inc after the 3rd st instead of before it, and then you don't have another st for the 2nd increase. Using the m1 puts the incs in the center of the piece with 2 sts on either side of them and the k1 in the middle.
UUUUGH!!!!!

There are two increases the first time that row is done?????

GRRRR! I HATE THIS WRITER! That is *NOT* how anyone else has been reading this. That is so freaking confusing and unclear. If the lady who teaches knitting for a living can't make hide nor tail of this....GRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
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