08-29-2009, 03:37 PM #1 naveshani Casting On   Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Urgent help needed with [p1, yon, k1 tbl] all into NEXT st Hello dear friends, I just read your explanation regarding the meaning of "kpk" and "pkp" and i was wondering if you could assist me. i am trying to knit a baby's hat taken from Nursery Knits by Erika Knight. two things seem to mislead me in the following guideline: The first one says: 2nd row: P1, * [p1, yon, k1 tbl] all into next st, p1; rep from * to end. " What does "[p1, yon, k1 tbl] all into NEXT st" mean? I know what 'kpk into the same st' mean, but i'm not sure if i should put the whole parantheses into the next st; in addition, how do i get to 'k1 tbl' if i have a 'yon' in the middle? and finally, which next st are they talking about? (it's not a raspberry or trinity st, is it?) The second one says: 7th row: "K and inc 1(dec 1:dec 3) sts evenly across row." how do i interpret the phrase "(dec 1:dec 3) " if we're talking about an increase? Your assistance will be highly appreciated, NB

 08-29-2009, 04:38 PM #2 blueygh2 Turning the Heel     Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Somewhere in Europe Posts: 729 Thanks: 37 Thanked 182 Times in 156 Posts For the decrease, if the pattern states different sizes (S,M,L), then the things between parenthesis could mean: For size S, you increase, for size M you decrease 1, for size L you decrease 3. This seems a bit ... wrong though. But it could mean it. Otherwise I don't really see what it could mean. As for the p,yo,k1tbl, you purl the next stitch on the needle, but you don't drop it off. Then you take the yarn over the right needle to the back between the needles and knit one through the backloop. So you have p,yo,k tbl. __________________ The ways of Yarn are inscrutable. I'm NOT a "miss", I'm a lady!
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 08-29-2009, 05:22 PM #3 suzeeq Knit On!   Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 27,765 Thanks: 160 Thanked 6,451 Times in 6,035 Posts It's the same as p, yo, k1tbl in the same stitch (which is the next st on your left needle after you did the previous sts). I agree, that on the line where you inc for one size, you may be decreasing for another size; it would be to get a correct stitch count for a st pattern. __________________ sue- knitting heretic
 08-29-2009, 06:42 PM #4 blueygh2 Turning the Heel     Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Somewhere in Europe Posts: 729 Thanks: 37 Thanked 182 Times in 156 Posts But what bothers me is that normally the sizes are S,M,L, so it doesn't make much sense to me to DECREASE for M and L in respect to S... If we had the pattern, things could be very much clearer. __________________ The ways of Yarn are inscrutable. I'm NOT a "miss", I'm a lady!
 08-30-2009, 11:19 PM #5 suzeeq Knit On!   Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 27,765 Thanks: 160 Thanked 6,451 Times in 6,035 Posts You're only decreasing a st or 3, and the larger sizes probably have several sts more per size increment. It would be to make a stitch pattern come out right and rather than increase 8 which may make it too big, they have you decreasing 3. If it's lace it's stretchy so you can have less sts for it than a stockinette portion and it would still be the same size. __________________ sue- knitting heretic
 08-31-2009, 03:18 PM #6 naveshani Casting On   Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Dear Suzeeq and Blueygh2, Thanks a lot for your saving me.. and enlighting suggestions; i'm surely going to try them now. hope it turns out well. will keep you posted. Bye for now, Naveshani
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 Originally Posted by blueygh2 For the decrease, if the pattern states different sizes (S,M,L), then the things between parenthesis could mean: For size S, you increase, for size M you decrease 1, for size L you decrease 3. This seems a bit ... wrong though. But it could mean it. Otherwise I don't really see what it could mean. As for the p,yo,k1tbl, you purl the next stitch on the needle, but you don't drop it off. Then you take the yarn over the right needle to the back between the needles and knit one through the backloop. So you have p,yo,k tbl.
I am doing a baby doll pattern from Mary Maxim and I struggled with the instruction P1, YO, K1 tbl all into next stitch. I was getting 4 stitches from 1 instead of 3. You have helped immensely. Thanks so much!

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