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Old 06-17-2011, 12:33 PM   #1
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increase n decrease sts.
hi,i m working on a sweater in which it has a inc n dec patt,i m not able to understand it,pls help me out.
the patt for inc says:
inc(4):lift running thread bet st just worked n next st,twist n place on left ndl,k1 in back,in next st,knit in front,back,front st,lift running thread as before,k1 in back(5 sts from 1).
the patt for dec says:
dec(4):Wyib,sl 3 sts knitwise,*pass 2nd st on right ndl over center st,sl center st to left ndl,pass 2nd st on left ndl over*,sl center st to right ndl.Rep from * to * once more(center st rems) until 1 st rem;pick up yarn n k center st.

pls help me with both this patt as i m stuck in between.i need a detail explanation so that i can work easily on th epattern.if any body can post the video that will b great for me.
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Old 06-17-2011, 12:54 PM   #2
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For the increase of 4 sts, there are two knit into the back loop of a lifted bar between sts (see video under Free Videos at the top of this page, increases, Make one left). In between these two increases there is a knit into the front, the back and the front again of one st. Itís similar to this video for knit into the front and back of one st but youíll bring the right needle around again and knit into the front for knit front, back and front again in one st.
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Old 06-17-2011, 02:57 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by salmonmac View Post
For the increase of 4 sts, there are two knit into the back loop of a lifted bar between sts (see video under Free Videos at the top of this page, increases, Make one left). In between these two increases there is a knit into the front, the back and the front again of one st. Itís similar to this video for knit into the front and back of one st but youíll bring the right needle around again and knit into the front for knit front, back and front again in one st.
THNXS DEAR,but i m not able to understand the line" lift running thread bet st just worked n next st,twist n place on left ndl" in inc(4)patt,rest i understand.pls explain this to me.bcoz the whole row needs to work like5,inc4,p5,which in all makes 15 sts out of 11. and i have worked for p5 n now i m not getting inc4.
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Old 06-17-2011, 04:17 PM   #4
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The 'running thread' is the yarn strand between the st you just worked and the next one; it's from the row below. Look at the M1 L video in the increase section.
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Hi Amrata, On the decrease question, in order to decrease 4 sts, the pattern wants you to alternately slip sts from the right of the center st and from the left of the center st:
Wyib, sl 3 sts knitwise,
pass 2nd st on right needle over the st nearest the needle point,
sl that st to left needle,
pass 2nd st on left needle over the st nearest the point,
sl center st to right needle again,
pass the 2nd st on the right needle over that st,
sl st to the left needle, pass the 2nd st over the st nearest the needle point,
and then pick up yarn and k center st.
You have a total decrease of 4 sts.
Interesting. What are you making? Good luck with it!
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Old 06-27-2011, 05:24 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by salmonmac View Post
Hi Amrata, On the decrease question, in order to decrease 4 sts, the pattern wants you to alternately slip sts from the right of the center st and from the left of the center st:
Wyib, sl 3 sts knitwise,
pass 2nd st on right needle over the st nearest the needle point,
sl that st to left needle,
pass 2nd st on left needle over the st nearest the point,
sl center st to right needle again,
pass the 2nd st on the right needle over that st,
sl st to the left needle, pass the 2nd st over the st nearest the needle point,
and then pick up yarn and k center st.
You have a total decrease of 4 sts.
Interesting. What are you making? Good luck with it!
Thanks a lot for the reply,but i m still not able to get it.
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Well, you could try:
slip 1st to the right needle
knit 2 together (from the left needle as usual)
pass the slipped st over the st you've just knit
now, knit 2 together (again from the left needle)
and pass the 2nd st on the right needle over the st just knit.
This won't look exactly like the directions but it's close and it will decrease 4 sts. Give it a try with some spare yarn on needles and see if it works for you.
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Old 06-27-2011, 06:42 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by salmonmac View Post
Well, you could try:
slip 1st to the right needle
knit 2 together (from the left needle as usual)
pass the slipped st over the st you've just knit
now, knit 2 together (again from the left needle)
and pass the 2nd st on the right needle over the st just knit.
This won't look exactly like the directions but it's close and it will decrease 4 sts. Give it a try with some spare yarn on needles and see if it works for you.
thanks for the reply,i m able to do
Wyib, sl 3 sts knitwise,
*pass 2nd st on right ndl over FIRST st,
sl FIRST st to left ndl,
but not able to understand
pass 2nd st on left ndl over*,
sl FIRST st to right ndl.
epesially the word over in the last ,can u pls explain this?
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Great! Call the st you just slipped to the left needle, the first st on the left needle. The 2nd st on the left needle is the one next to it on the left side. Pick up that st and bring it over the first st. Now slip the st sitting on the left needle back to the right needle and pass the st next to it over it. Finally slip that st back yet again to the left needle and pass the st next to it over it. That's it. It's sort of like playing catch with a st that keeps being passed from one needle to the other.
You end by picking up the yarn and knitting that st as usual.
This video may help in seeing the 'over' part of pass st over. You're not doing the same pattern that the video shows but just the 'pass st over part'.

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Old 06-27-2011, 09:04 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by salmonmac View Post
Great! Call the st you just slipped to the left needle, the first st on the left needle. The 2nd st on the left needle is the one next to it on the left side. Pick up that st and bring it over the first st. Now slip the st sitting on the left needle back to the right needle and pass the st next to it over it. Finally slip that st back yet again to the left needle and pass the st next to it over it. That's it. It's sort of like playing catch with a st that keeps being passed from one needle to the other.
You end by picking up the yarn and knitting that st as usual.
This video may help in seeing the 'over' part of pass st over. You're not doing the same pattern that the video shows but just the 'pass st over part'.
Thnaks a lot,and i tried the previous explanation u gave me on the other yarn step by step n got with that,still thanks a lot for ur so much explanations.now i can easily work on it.
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