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Old 07-29-2012, 02:33 PM   #1
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Which Sweater Pattern?
I'm putting together a list of knitting stuff I want for when relatives ask for gift ideas, and I really want to make a sweater. I want something that isn't really loose or baggy and looks younger as I am in college. I found these two patterns online and like both of them. Abotanicity says that it is harder, but I have absolutely abysmal crocheting skills and don't really understand any of the directions surrounding the crochet cast on in Amused. For those of you with more experience than I, would Abotanicity truly be more difficult than Amused? I have made a pair of socks, a fair isle headband, and several hats in the round in addition to a few smaller flat pieces. Or, does anyone have a pattern that they can suggest? I don't want to have to sew, so seamless is a must. Also, would Knitpicks Palette yarn work for Abotanicity or Wool of the Andes for Amused?

Lastly, I don't have a set of interchangeable needles, so I wanted to try and estimate the size needle I would need. Is there some way to guess what size needle you need to obtain gague without actually having to try different needle sizes with that specific yarn?

Abotanicity: http://knitty.com/ISSUEwinter07/PATTabotanicity.html
Amused: http://knitty.com/ISSUEwinter08/PATTamused.php

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Old 07-29-2012, 02:44 PM   #2
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You do have to try different needle sizes to see what gauge you get; start with what you have and see how close that comes to the pattern gauge. If it's off you could do another size of the pattern.

You might not have to do a crochet cast on, just do a regular CO with someother yarn, then start with the yarn you use for the pattern and later pick out or cut off the cast on yarn.
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I'm primarily a sweater knitter. I admire your ambition in considering either of the two! To answer your question about the difficulty of either design: I think they are equally challenging. And I'll also add, I'd 'wrestle' with either of them!

Re: gauge > correct gauge is a step that cannot be over-emphasized. at the minimum, 4"x 4" swatching (using the yarn you bought for a sweater) is a step that should not be skipped. Start with the needle size recommended by the yarn label for the gauge you need. Knit an entire 4"x 4" swatch. If your gauge is spot on, you're gold. If not, you must knit another swatch, adjusting the needle size accordingly.

Gauge Nightmares: a (supposedly) size 36 sweater that is big enough to fit a size 2X woman....or conversely, small enough to fit a 9 yr old.

Wouldn't that be a tragic waste of time and money?

Take the time to get the correct gauge. It's critical to a well-fitting garment.

About washing the gauge swatch (once you've got a good one): this step will reveal how much your yarn is going to stretch, lengthwise and widthwise. It's shocking how naughty some yarns are when they are soaked! I suppose yarns with a 'superwash' label are less naughty. I don't use superwash yarns per se, but they are great for knitted things that you definitely wanna wash in the washing machine, and pop in the dryer. (shudder)
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I'd 'wrestle' with either of them!
So in your opinion, would they both be too difficult for a first sweater?
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It's actually a good idea to make the swatch a little larger, especially for a sweater. If the gauge says 20 sts/4", then cast on at least 24 sts, 30 would be good. The reason is the edge sts shouldn't be used to measure, they're a different size than the middle stitches and curl under so you could get an inaccurate measure. Then yes, it's helpful to wash and lay out the swatch the same way you will for the finished item. Some yarns stretch a lot when wet, others fill in - it's good to know what the yarn will do. Superwash tends to stretch a lot when wet, but will go back to the knit size when put in the dryer. You could also hang it for a day or so after it's dry to see if and how much the FO will stretch when you wear it.
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And also, I keep reading how super slick the metal Options are, so I was thinking of getting Zephyr tips for the project. For Abotanicity, would it matter that the part done on sock sized needles would need to be either metal or wood and then I would be switching to plastic? I normally like metal, but I've only used cheap Boye and I'm hesitant to do something complicated on a really slippery needle.
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You're changing needle size anyway so any slight change in your knitting due to type of needle really won't show.
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There's nothing wrong with 'cheap Boye' needles, I've used them for years and like them. But I also my bamboo, nylon and acrylic ones too. Different tools for different types of yarn and knitting.
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One thing you might want to take into consideration (since this will be your first sweater) is the yarn/needle size. In other words, Amused requires a recommended needle size of 9, while Abotanicity requires recommended needle sizes of 1, 3, and 5. This means that you will be knitting MANY more stitches for Abotanicity than you will for Amused. So if casting on, say, 128 stitches (for Abotanicity)--as opposed to 62 stitches (for Amused)--and then increasing from there is something you find daunting, then perhaps Amused might be the way to go. It's definitely something to consider, lest you be making this sweater for the rest of your life!!
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One More...Sorry!
I just found this one, but since its a paid pattern I can't read through it-would this be a better/another good first sweater? Also, when it says that for the pocket you need 2 circs or 1 set of interchangeable does anyone know if it would work if you have 2 cables, 1 set of tips & put stops on the end?

http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/tourist-sweater

Thank you all for your help and sorry for so many questions!!
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