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Old 12-23-2012, 11:35 PM   #1
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I am knitting a V Neck Cardigan Sweater and I am having a difficult time wiht the Front. This patterncalls for the pattern stich and working 1st and last stich of every row in St st. I am having a problem at Neck shapping. it states to keep on pattern, at neck edge, dec 1 st every 4th row 6 times, then every 6th row 8. Now I tried to dec the 1st but my pattern is not coming out right. My pattern has 12 rows to create the pattern stich. The fourth row the patterns is P1, *(p1, k1) twice, p3, k1, p1, k1, p2; rep from*
the fifth row is k1, *k2, (p1, k1) 3 times, p1, k3; rep from* When I start row 5 where should I start because of decreasing on row 4 ... remember this pattern calls for 1st and last stich of every row in St.st. this pattern is Multiple of 12 +1 and I am making King Charles Bracade V-Neck Cardigan Sweater Knitting Pattern.
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Old 12-23-2012, 11:44 PM   #2
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Is this by any chance your pattern? If not, could you link to it?
I'm inclined to say you'd start with a knit stitch, but I'm not sure that is what you're asking.
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Old 12-24-2012, 01:11 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by GrumpyGramma View Post
Is this by any chance your pattern? If not, could you link to it?
I'm inclined to say you'd start with a knit stitch, but I'm not sure that is what you're asking.
Here is the Pattern I am having problems matching when I start decreasing. On row 4 I decrease the first stich, now should I start from P1 or from *(P1, K1) twice. and Row 5 should I start knitting for *k2? that is what I am so comfused... don't know where to start after I decrease a stich.

A plunging v-neck highlights this knitting pattern for a woman's cardigan sweater with drop sleeves.
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Pattern Stitch - King Charles Brocade (Multiple of 12 + 1)
Row 1 (RS): k1, *p1, k9, p1, k1; rep from *
Row 2: k1, *p1, k1, p7, k1, p1, k1; rep from *
Row 3: k1, *p1, k1, p1, k5 (p1, k1) twice; rep from *
Row 4: p1, *(p1, k1) twice, p3, k1, p1, k1, p2; rep from *
Row 5: k1, *k2, (p1, k1) 3 times, p1, k3; rep from *
Row 6: p1, *p3, (k1, p1) twice, k1, p4; rep from *
Row 7: k1, *k4, p1, k1, p1, k5; rep from *
Row 8: Rep Row 6
Row 9: Rep Row 5
Row 10: Rep Row 4
Row 11: Rep Row 3
Row 12: Rep Row 2
Front (Make Two)
With smaller needles, CO 33 sts. Work k1, p1 ribbing 2".
Inc 6 sts evenly over last row - 39 sts.
Change to larger needles. Work in Pattern Stitch, working first and last st of every row in St st, for 9".
Neck Shaping
Keeping to pattern, at neck edge, dec 1 st every 4th row 6 times, then every 6th row 8 times.
At same time, when piece measures 14" from beg, mark armhole (neck shaping will not be completed).
Cont in Pattern Stitch until armhole measures 9". BO.
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Old 12-24-2012, 01:21 AM   #4
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Oops! It looks like I forgot to include the link! V-Neck Cardigan Sweater Knitting Pattern I think it's the same.

You asked When I start row 5 where should I start because of decreasing on row 4 ... Row 5: k1, *k2, (p1, k1) 3 times, p1, k3; rep from *
I'm not at all sure what you need to know, hopefully someone else will and can help you out.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:16 AM   #5
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The easiest way to work with these decreases is to look at the stitches on the needle. You can see when you're going out of pattern so use that same way of looking at the work to tell you where to start the pattern after the decrease. Count backwards from the pattern sts that you can see.
The other way to do this is just to leave out one stitch at the neck edge (after the stockinette edge stitch) after the first decrease. After the second decrease, leave out 2sts and so on. You'll do this on the all the rows following the decrease rows
So for row 5 the pattern becomes:
Row 5: k1, k1, (p1, k1) 3 times, p1, k3, *k2, (p1, k1) 3 times, p1, k3; rep from *
You'll then decrease again on row 8 and row 9 is a repeat of row 5 so it becomes:
Row 9: k1, k0 (p1, k1) 3 times, p1, k3, *k2, (p1, k1) 3 times, p1, k3; rep from *
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First off, you may not be decreasing on the 4th row of the pattern repeat, but on the next row after you reach 9", then every 4th row after that. So if the first row after 9" is row 6, you'd decrease on that row, then on row 10, and row 2 (because after row 12 you start over again) and so on. The decs won't be at the beg of the row on the first shoulder, but after you reach the middle stitch. You will have to read the sts on the needles, not the ones in the written pattern. By the time you get this far you'll have the st pattern well set up and should be able to see how it works out.
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Old 12-24-2012, 11:52 AM   #7
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I understand what you are telling me but I have one last question. On row 4 the pattern calls for P1, *(p1, K1) twice, P3, K1, P1, K1, P2; rep from*. Now since I am decreasing my first stich on row 4, I would knit P1, *(K1,P1,K1), P3, K1, P1, P2 rep from* is this correct?
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Wait.... you might not be decreasing the first stitch on row 4!!! You would dec the first stitch on the row after you reach 9" in length. That could be row 2 or 8 or 12 of the stitch pattern. The first dec row isn't necessarily going to be the same as the decrease rate which is every 4th row.

Let me explain that with more detail. You work for 9" in pattern, at the row gauge of 5 per inch, that's 45 rows. So when you reach 9" you will have repeated the 12 row pattern 3 times and be on the 9th row of the next repeat. So work row 10 and begin the decs on the next row which is row 11 of the pattern. The decs for the first front will be at the end of the row, so work row 11 until 2 sts from the end where you k2tog. To start row 12 you have to look at where you ended the stitches on row 11 because if you have 39 sts for the front and the stitch repeat is 12 +1, that won't go evenly into 39 and you won't even be starting at the first stitch because now you have 38sts. The whole front doesn't work out evenly in the stitch pattern as written, at the end of the first row, you might end with k6 or something, rather than k9, k1 p1 as written.
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What Sue is saying is correct, that you may be starting the decreases anywhere in the pattern (row 9 if you're perfectly on gauge). In your case it sounds like you're starting with a decrease on the first stitich of row 4, a WS row, and you're working on the left front. The RS row, row 5, starts as given in the pattern but the last repeat ends, k2 instead of k3.
Sorry for the earlier confusion. My left-handedness comes out in odd ways sometimes.
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I don't think the pattern is as clear as it could be - most of them say 'on the next row and every 4th row' and that's how I would do it. On the next RS row after reaching 9", work the first dec, then every 4th row which keeps all of them on the RS rows. For the Right front, you'd dec on the next RS row after reaching 9", but it would be at the beginning of the row, rather than at the end as for the Left front.

It's so much easier to dec on the RS rows. If you did the first dec row on the 4th one after reaching 9" that would add nearly an inch to the front, and this is a very low neckline and if you started it higher, then the decs may be reached before the total length of the front. That's why I think the pattern should say to start on the next row, maybe it was an oversight.
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