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Old 01-19-2013, 03:55 AM   #11
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And on the vexed question of wasted yarn? I have two cats who are ALWAYS in the mood for a new yarn toy ...
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:33 AM   #12
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Use knots. Seriously, I have been for years. They don't move and they don't come untied. My method is to loosely tie the ends together, work a couple rows then come back and move the knot so it's on the purl bump on the WS, retie it. Then I also weave in the ends to anchor it in place. Can't be seen on the RS.
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:09 PM   #13
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I wasn't a boy scout and never learned to tie knots securely...on purpose, I can get all kinds of hard to undo knots in my yarn when I'm trying to avoid them. What knot do you use? I know how to tie a square knot. Would that work?
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Old 01-19-2013, 02:25 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by GrumpyGramma View Post
I wasn't a boy scout and never learned to tie knots securely...on purpose, I can get all kinds of hard to undo knots in my yarn when I'm trying to avoid them. What knot do you use? I know how to tie a square knot. Would that work?
I've used this knot in scarves. Although I know a lot of knitters think putting knots in is a knitting sin. I only just learned what "weaving in the ends" actually does. I never thought that doing that would be secure.
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I must say, I don't like starting a new ball of yarn in the middle of a row as I'm not confident with the russian method of joining yarn. And, often, I'm working with hybrid commercial yarns that have polyester or synthetic blending with animal fibers and they don't splice together very well for me.
I don't worry about using the Russian Join (which is handy, since I've never learned it). I just drop the old strand and start with the new one. It's a little loose for the first stitch -- maybe two -- but everything'll get fastened down fine on the next row/round (sometimes it takes a little extra "convincing" on that row when you get to where the last/first stitches are, but you just have to be firm with it.) Once the ends are woven in it's not coming apart, which is the goal here. If it's especially "slick" yarn, I might go so far as tying a square knot in it to hold it together. That can be taken out later -- or not if I determine that its not going to matter.

That said, if I'm working in a pattern that's very "open" and I don't think I can hide the woven ends very well, I'll get a bit more concerned about where I stop/join. Or if there's a color change involved -- stripes or some such. Then you obviously have to start at the beginning.

Worst case is that I run out in the middle and have to back up to the start of the row. NOBODY likes to do this, but it's not exactly the End Times if you have to.
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Originally Posted by DavidSydney63 View Post
I must say, I don't like starting a new ball of yarn in the middle of a row as I'm not confident with the russian method of joining yarn. And, often, I'm working with hybrid commercial yarns that have polyester or synthetic blending with animal fibers and they don't splice together very well for me.
I have the same problem. I always feel like knotting cottons and acrylic/nylon blends in order to get a decent join. I think joins in the middle of a row are often noticeable anyway, even with wool and the Russian method. There is often a slight thickness or stiffness there. Well, at least there is on my sweaters.

Also, I love this topic. I never gauge correctly whether or not I have enough left for a row. I always think I have so much yarn left, but I read somewhere that you need at least four times the length of your row for st st. That's a lot!
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I've used this knot in scarves. Although I know a lot of knitters think putting knots in is a knitting sin. I only just learned what "weaving in the ends" actually does. I never thought that doing that would be secure.

Usually I knit a couple stitches w/both yarns and then weave in ends. Using mostly synthetic yarns I can't use the ones like the Russian join at least I don't think so.
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Originally Posted by DavidSydney63 View Post
I must say, I don't like starting a new ball of yarn in the middle of a row as I'm not confident with the russian method of joining yarn. And, often, I'm working with hybrid commercial yarns that have polyester or synthetic blending with animal fibers and they don't splice together very well for me.
I don't worry about using the Russian Join (which is handy, since I've never learned it). I just drop the old strand and start with the new one. It's a little loose for the first stitch -- maybe two -- but everything'll get fastened down fine on the next row/round (sometimes it takes a little extra "convincing" on that row when you get to where the last/first stitches are, but you just have to be firm with it.) Once the ends are woven in it's not coming apart, which is the goal here. If it's especially "slick" yarn, I might go so far as tying a square knot in it to hold it together. That can be taken out later -- or not if I determine that its not going to matter.

That said, if I'm working in a pattern that's very "open" and I don't think I can hide the woven ends very well, I'll get a bit more concerned about where I stop/join. Or if there's a color change involved -- stripes or some such. Then you obviously have to start at the beginning.

Worst case is that I run out in the middle and have to back up to the start of the row. NOBODY likes to do this, but it's not exactly the End Times if you have to.
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Worst case is that I run out in the middle and have to back up to the start of the row. NOBODY likes to do this, but it's not exactly the End Times if you have to.
Wake up, mojo, smell the java. End times is the very problem under discussion. Your name says it all today, mo(re)jo(e).
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Originally Posted by GrumpyGramma View Post
I wasn't a boy scout and never learned to tie knots securely...on purpose, I can get all kinds of hard to undo knots in my yarn when I'm trying to avoid them. What knot do you use? I know how to tie a square knot. Would that work?
I was a girl scout and we learned knots. The only one I can do though is the square knot and that's what I use.
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