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Old 06-05-2013, 06:29 PM   #1
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Rows do not add up! Please help.
Hello!

I was wondering if anyone could please help me with the following. I'm a beginner knitter but I've had experience increasing, decreasing, etc.

Anyways, I'm following the very simplistic pattern from Debbie Harrold's beginner-level 'All You Knit is Love' published in January 2013. I'm making the 3-tiered wedding cake titled 'Just Married'. From what I can tell they're basically just 3 stuffed cylinders of different sizes stitched together. Everything is knit on straight needles but produces a round shape.

My problem: I've already knit the top and bottom of the bottom tier, but now I'm on the 'Side of cake'. The pattern goes as follows:

Side of cake
Using 3.75mm needles and white yarn, cast on 136 sts.
Row 1 (RS): K17, [p1, k16] 7 times.
Row 2: P15, [k1, p1, k1] 7 times.
Row 3: K15, [p1, k3, p1, k14] 7 times.
Row 4: P13, [k1, p5, k1, p14] 7 times.
Row 5: K13, [p1, k7, p1, k12] 7 times.
Row 6: P11, [k1, p9, k1, p12] 7 times.
Row 7: K11, [p1, k11, p1, k10] 7 times.
Row 8: P9, [k1, p13, k1, p10] 7 times.
Row 9: K9, [p1, k15, p1, k8] 7 times.
Row 10: P7, [k1, p17, k1, p8] 7 times.
Row 11: K7, [p1, k19, p1, k6] 7 times.
Row 12: P5, [k1, p21, k1, p5] 7 times.
Row 13: K5, [p1, k23, p1, k4] 7 times.
Row 14: P3, [k1, p25, k1, p4] 7 times.
Row 15: K3, [p1, k27, p1, k2] 7 times.
Row 16: P1, [k1, p29, k1, p2] 7 times.
Row 17: K1, [p1, k31, p1] 7 times.
Row 18: [P33, k1] 4 times.
Cast off.

Is it just me or do these rows not all add up to 136 stitches? I assumed I was simply knitting a rectangular side piece with no increases/decreases. I entertained the notion that this might be a short row technique but nowhere in the pattern does it say 'wrap' or 'turn', and besides, it's a beginner's book!

What's worse, the side pieces for the Middle and Top tiers use smaller cast-ons, but tell me to "Work rows 1 26 Bottom cake tier, Side of cake". This is really confusing because the 'Side of cake' instructions only have 18 rows (as above!)

Would someone please be kind enough to explain to me how to go about this pattern? I would be most appreciative!! I'm going nuts.
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Old 06-05-2013, 06:29 PM   #2
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p.s. Here is a picture of the finished product:

http://www.holyroodpr.co.uk/index.ph...mage_full/762/
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:35 PM   #3
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Hi and welcome!
Thanks for all the information and picture. It's a really cute idea but I don't see how the pattern adds up at all either. The idea of the pattern is to give you the diagonal lines of purl sts that zigzag up and down each layer. You could possibly place those yourself as you knit by looking at the pattern but it just may not be worth it. Maybe better to duplicate stitch on a pattern when you're finished with the layer. You could even duplicate stitch in another color if you want.
Usually if a pattern says to repeat rows 1-26 on an 18 row pattern, you go back to row 1-8 for the added rows.
Here's another pattern for a wedding cake.
http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/wedding-cake
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:38 PM   #4
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Side of cake. Cast on 136 sts.
Row 1: K17, [p1, k16] 7 times. --- 136sts
Row 2: P15, [k1, p1, k1] 7 times. --- 38sts

Row 3: K15, [p1, k3, p1, k14] 7 times. --- 148sts
Row 4: P13, [k1, p5, k1, p14] 7 times. ---160sts

Row 5: K13, [p1, k7, p1, k12] 7 times.
Row 6: P11, [k1, p9, k1, p12] 7 times.

Row 7: K11, [p1, k11, p1, k10] 7 times.
Row 8: P9, [k1, p13, k1, p10] 7 times.

Row 9: K9, [p1, k15, p1, k8] 7 times.
Row 10: P7, [k1, p17, k1, p8] 7 times.

Row 11: K7, [p1, k19, p1, k6] 7 times.
Row 12: P5, [k1, p21, k1, p5] 7 times.

Row 13: K5, [p1, k23, p1, k4] 7 times.
Row 14: P3, [k1, p25, k1, p4] 7 times.

Row 15: K3, [p1, k27, p1, k2] 7 times.
Row 16: P1, [k1, p29, k1, p2] 7 times.

Row 17: K1, [p1, k31, p1] 7 times.
Row 18: [P33, k1] 4 times.
Cast off.

Yes, at first glance something is amiss here and I don't have the patience to crunch all of the numbers just now. But, I think this is an issue of the number of repeats and/or brackets being placed in the wrong places in the written pattern.
Looking at the picture it appears that the side of the cake is being knit flat (back and forth) from bottom to top, after which you will wrap it around and connect the short ends to create a circle (like a spring form cake ring).
The pattern shifts two sts each round to create that "diagonal" design. On the RS rows you P a stitch and on the WS rows you KPK, with the center st being the RS P (now a WS K). If you look at the pattern in two row segments, you should be able to figure out the 2st shift and adjust each time. Maybe drawing/charting it out would be helpful to you.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:46 PM   #5
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Doing something like this add up to 136sts but I'm not sure what happens to the zigzag lines.
Row 1 (RS): K17, [p1, k16] 7 times.
Row 2: [P15, k1, p1, k1, p16] 4 times.
Row 3: [K15, p1, k3, p1, k14] 4 times.
Row 4: [P13, k1, p5, k1, p14] 4 times.
Row 5: [K13, p1, k7, p1, k12] 4 times.
Row 6: [P11, k1, p9, k1, p12] 4 times.
Row 7: [K11, p1, k11, p1, k10] 4 times.
Row 8: [P9, k1, p13, k1, p10] 4 times.
etc.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:51 PM   #6
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This is an interesting pattern. I think if I were doing it I would join to knit in the round, space my first purls evenly and then pay attention and do the following alt rounds to place the purl in the right position, i.e. knit to the st before the purl in the row before, p; knit to the next stitch after the purl in the row before, p. Or that might not work at all as I tend to oversimplify things. I think I might try it. I don't want a wedding cake but a drum could be made the same way. Duplicate stitch might just be best either way, flat or in the round, a different color could be used for the lines of "icing". I wonder if the cast on numbers will really work to join evenly with the layer tops.
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Thank you!
This is all great advice! I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks the pattern is wrong. It really threw me off because I'm a beginner knitter. I think I'll go ahead and knit the side piece flat, then add the duplicate stitch on after, in a different colour. I could try to figure out how to do the zig-zags using alternating purl and knit, but I have to finished the piece by Sunday as a gift for friends. Also, I had had a look at the Ravelry wedding cake, and it looks amazing! I might try that one the next time one of my friends gets married, once I've mastered this more simpler cake.

Salmonmac, RochesterKnitter and GrumpyGramma, thank you SO much for your kind, considerate and prompt help!

This is my first time using the KnittingHelp forums and you've really made me feel welcome.
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Happy to have you join us. Good luck with the cake and congratulations to your friends!
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Don't be a stranger, come back often! It's amazing what I've learned by just reading here. If you like, post a photo of your cake, we'd love to see it. Happy knitting!
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Alright, so I can be a little obsessive-compulsive, and I really needed to solve this one. Looking at the picture, it appears that all three layers are of the same height, and it looks like there could certainly be eighteen rows for each layer, but there is no way that there are seven pattern repeats. I was able to come up with something quite different than the pattern that is stated, it comes out to 136 stitches per row, (a multiple of 34 stitches), and it is eighteen rows. You would need to add stitches at the beginning and end of each row for your seam allowances and the middle tier is probably one less pattern repeat (cast on 102 stitches plus seam allowances), the top layer two less repeats (cast on 68 stitches plus seam allowances).

Row 1: K17, (p1, k33) 3 times, p1, k16
Row 2: P15, (k1, p1, k1, p31) 3 times, k1, p1, k1, k16
Row 3: K15, (p1, k3, p1, k29) 3 times, p1, k3, p1, k14
Row 4: P13, (k1, p5, k1, p27) 3 times, k1, p5, k1, p14
Row 5: K13, (p1, k7, p1, k25) 3 times, p1, k7, p1, k12
Row 6: P11, (k1, p9, k1, p23) 3 times, k1, p9, k1, p12
Row 7: K11, (p1, k11, p1, k21) 3 times, p1, k11, p1, k10
Row 8: P9, (k1, p13, k1, p19) 3 times, k1, p13, k1, p10
Row 9: K9, (p1, k15, p1, k17) 3 times, p1, k15, p1, k8
Row 10: P7, (k1, p17, k1, p15) 3 times, k1, p17, k1, p8
Row 11: K7, (p1, k19, p1, k13) 3 times, p1, k19, p1, k6
Row 12: P5, (k1, p21, k1, p11) 3 times, k1, p21, k1, p6
Row 13: K5, (p1, k23, p1, k9) 3 times, p1, k23, p1, k4
Row 14: P3, (k1, p25, k1, p7) 3 times, k1, p25, k1, p4
Row 15: K3, (p1, k27, p1, k5) 3 times, p1, k27, p1, k2
Row 16: P1, (k1, p29, k1, p3) 3 times, k1, p29, k1, p2
Row 17: K1, (p1, k31, p1, k1) 3 times, p1, k31, p1
Row 18: (P33, k1) 4 times

The cake is gorgeous! Happy
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