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Old 03-17-2005, 08:03 PM   #11
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Shame on me for hijacking ekgheiy's thread. Looks like I touched a collective nerve by mentioning Wal*Mart.

All I meant was that modern means of production put hand-craftsmen and women at an economic disadvantage to factories. We've known this since the Industrial Age. But, it sounds like the prospective customer was aware of this and still put off by the price.
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Old 03-18-2005, 03:37 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Flappy
Shame on me for hijacking ekgheiy's thread. Looks like I touched a collective nerve by mentioning Wal*Mart.
You didn't hijack it, Flappy, I did! Sorry, ekgheiy; it wasn't intentional. Walmart just makes me want to tear out my eyelashes... I'm not trying to diss people who work and shop there, either: my DH worked there for a while when we were first "living in sin," and all through college up until about 4 years ago I loved Walmart. I just became aware of it's detriment to rural locations when I became invested in small town life. In more urban areas, I think that it could potentially (in a perfect world) have some benefits: people can get jobs who may have been living on welfare... those who do qualify as low-income can spend less on groceries, and have more money to put into their education so as to get themselves off of public aid. (in a perfect world, remember, not necessarily in reality).

Rambling again, sorry... anyway, my bad. Back to the original topic, I made a scarf for a friend of DH to give as a Christmas gift; I told him I would charge only the cost of yarn... well, I used 4 skeins of fun fur, so when I politely asked for a very generous 20 dollars for the scarf, he balked at me like this as if I just asked for an internal organ... I said I'd take 10 if he had that, which he did, but *never again* will I knit anything for this dude. I didn't get what the yarn was worth, not to mention the time I spent making it. I feel like I have a better sense now of what to charge, with the reciept template ( yay ekgheiy!). This will help with consistancy too... I told DH's friend later that under no circumstances was he to tell ANYONE that I only charged him 10 bucks for the scarf, but of course, he somehow let it slip, and I had 3 people call/email asking about a scarf, and telling me what colors, yadda yadda; when I told them it would be 25 bucks for materials and labor, they ALL said they weren't interested; oh well, if they can do it cheaper, more power to them!
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Old 03-18-2005, 04:03 AM   #13
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I guess the long and short is we all agree with ekgheiy, share in her sadness and understand all too well the cause. My biggest regret is that my contribution wasn't nearly as concise and succinct.

My guess is there's still a market for quality, hand knit items, but it's a much smaller one that's willing or able to pay something other than 3rd world prices for it. :crying:
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Old 03-18-2005, 05:43 PM   #14
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Well, thanks for the statistics about Walmart. I already knew a few but not to that extent!

I too, have recently got involved in small town life (although I also have a place in Manhattan). When we got our house in upstate New York, we watched a local Ames store (cheap department store) close down and finally made our way to the Walmart, about 25 miles away. We shopped there for about 5 years, off and on , mainly for the cheap Fancy Feast cat food. I bought a sewing machine there.

Funny thing, everytime we went there we felt very DEPRESSED.
Then, last year our neighbor recommended a Hannaford supermarket, just down the road from Walmart. Ever since I stepped in that Hannaford, I haven't gone back to Walmart and it's such an interesting relief! The cat food costs a few cents more but it's worth it. It's even woth it to buy a little less meat, or spend a little more than going into that HUMONGOUS soul-debilitating freak of a store. I don't know why, but this Walmart also has a large percentage of mentally-impaired people walking around, saying hello to you. Not that they are bad of course, but why are they always walking around in there killing time? It's WEIRD.

Of course, the Hannaford doesn't carry yarn.

Amazing statistics. I have stopped buying anything Chinese for a quite a while now. It's just not worth it. (and I used to laugh at my dad years ago who worked for Chevrolet and cursed the drivers of Japanese cars!)

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Old 04-07-2005, 10:12 PM   #15
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Found this article and recalled the direction this thread was going. Figured it was better to post it here, rather than start another controversy.


Lawmakers Push Bill on Chinese Currency

By JIM ABRAMS
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON -- Congress for the second time in two days Thursday gave notice to both China and the Bush administration that it will take action if nothing is done about undervalued Chinese currency that gives Chinese goods an advantage over American competition.

"We are playing by the rules. We think the Chinese government is cheating," Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, said in promoting a bill that defines exchange rate manipulation as a prohibited export subsidy and sets guidelines for U.S. agencies to sanction China and protect U.S. industries.

Ryan was joined in sponsoring the bill by Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, who expressed concern that China was using the billions of dollars amassed from currency manipulation to buy advanced weaponry from Russia and other countries.

The bill also outlines steps to protect the U.S. defense industry from unfair Chinese competition.

On Wednesday, the Senate showed strong support for a proposal to place a 27.5 percent tariff on all Chinese products if China does not revalue its currency.

The amendment to a bill authorizing State Department and foreign aid programs cleared a procedural obstacle on a 67-33 vote, but no action was taken on the amendment itself.

The proposal, said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., co-author with Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., "says to the Chinese, `This is a shot across your bow. Reform, because if you don't there are going to be dramatic consequences.'"

The administration has pressed China to let the yuan float against the dollar, but has declined to pursue trade action, saying it was preferable to negotiate with Beijing.

On Thursday, Treasury Secretary John Snow, in an exchange with Schumer at a Senate hearing, said diplomacy was the best means of moving China on the currency issue and that Schumer's proposal "will be counterproductive." But he said he was not satisfied with China's response so far. "Are they moving fast enough? No, I wish they would move a lot faster."

The Chinese currency has been set at about 8.28 yuan per dollar over the past decade, a rate that analysts say undervalues the yuan by up to 40 percent. That makes Chinese exports significantly cheaper and drives up the cost of U.S. products sold in China.

Last year, the U.S. trade deficit with China hit $162 billion, more than one-quarter of the nation's record overall trade deficit of $617 billion.

On Monday, the administration announced it will bring trade cases against China to determine whether quotas should be re-imposed to protect textile and clothing manufacturers.

Ryan said that unlike other congressional attempts to impose sanctions on trading partners, they made sure their legislation complied with World Trade Organization rules. "It is going to be very difficult for the president and the administration to blow this off," he said.

Their legislation is supported by a coalition of business and labor groups, including the AFL-CIO and the U.S. Business and Industry Council.

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Originally Posted by Sara
I live in an area where WalMart is the only game within 95 miles. After my husband's layoff, I've been much more sensitive to these issues, yet I can't always avoid buying from the enemy.
Sara if you don't mind me asking, where are you located? My DH grew up in Andover, NY, I grew up in Scottsville. Lived in Hornell after we got married. We moved down to NC because we lived in such a depressed area we couldn't see making a decent living. It was our hope that I could stay at home w/ any future children, and that is just too hard to do in NY! Luckily I've been able to stay at home, even if that does mean a slim yarn allowance! :(
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Old 04-08-2005, 04:33 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by benniesma
My DH grew up in Andover, NY, I grew up in Scottsville. Lived in Hornell after we got married. :(
HOMEGIRL! Good Lord it's a small world. I'm in Alfred. PM me, we'll chat. For all you people out there in the real world, this isn't the middle of nowhere, it IS nowhere. Moved out here from Iowa in 1993 sight unseen so DH could do grad school. I cried for weeks. Heck, years. THEN we lived in Rochester for a few years. Came back to Alfred a few months ago and I'm still crying. So I knit. We rent from an Andover native. Lived in Hornell for a year. I'm probably giving too much personal info, but I'm sure you guys will know my bra size before long,especially if I start a blog. My in-laws are in Hickory, NC.
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Old 04-08-2005, 05:27 AM   #18
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I'm probably giving too much personal info, but I'm sure you guys will know my bra size before long,especially if I start a blog. My in-laws are in Hickory, NC.
LOL, sound like we just might. So just don't knit it and ask for help after giving us the full pattern description, okay? LOL :D
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As I've mentioned in other threads, I just knit the Berocco Ponshal for someone and am now making the Lion Brand pretty poncho for her as well. She is my daughter's teacher. When she asked me how much I would charge her, I asked her to make a donation to the classroom for school supplies for kids who can't afford them, and she agreed and said thanks.
Just for the fun of it, using that formula somebody mentioned of 10 cents per yard (she bought her own yarn) to make it, I figured out that it would have been something like $30 for the small piece nad $70 some-odd bucks for the large one.
My hubby said, "Well, it would be pretty hard to make any real money knitting then, huh? Don't people know how long it takes or how you make it so perfect? You'd really have to bust your a** to make anything."
And I think he's right.
Lucky for me I do it for the pleasure rathen than money, but of course a little money wouldn't hurt either.
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Originally Posted by Yvonne
...Just for the fun of it, using that formula somebody mentioned of 10 cents per yard (she bought her own yarn) to make it, I figured out that it would have been something like $30 for the small piece nad $70 some-odd bucks for the large one...
The .10 cents figure is only for plain garter stitch, w/ zero shaping etc. That figure increases as the pattern activity increases.
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