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Old 05-09-2005, 09:27 AM   #1
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Understanding sleeve decrease instructions
Hi!

My pattern says the following to shape the sleeve cap:

Decrease 1 st every 4th row 2x.

Does that mean dec 1 st on the 4th row, dec 1 st on the 5th row, dec 1 st on the 8th row and dec 1 st on the 9th row?

or

Dec 1 st at the beg and end of the 4th row, and dec 1 st at the beg and end of 8th row?

Thanks!

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Old 05-09-2005, 10:10 AM   #2
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Re: Understanding sleeve decrease instructions
Originally Posted by Carie
Hi!

My pattern says the following to shape the sleeve cap:

Decrease 1 st every 4th row 2x.

Does that mean dec 1 st on the 4th row, dec 1 st on the 5th row, dec 1 st on the 8th row and dec 1 st on the 9th row?

or

Dec 1 st at the beg and end of the 4th row, and dec 1 st at the beg and end of 8th row?

Thanks!

Carie

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Quote:
Decrease 1 st every 4th row 2x.
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I interpret:
1st row .... knit
2nd row .... knit
3rd row .... knit
4th row .... decrease
5th row .... knit
6th row ..... knit
7th row ..... knit
8th row ..... decrease

Whether the dec is at the beginning or end of the row is up in the air. The pattern does not specify ...

What pattern is it? Is it online?
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Old 05-09-2005, 06:20 PM   #3
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Old 05-09-2005, 08:26 PM   #4
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Sorry everyone, I wrote it wrong. It says "...shape armhole at both sides: in every 4th row, 1 st (2x).

I read this to be to bind off the first stitch on rows 4,5, 8 & 9, but looks like I'm wrong.

Any other thoughts?

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Oh, btw, it was a Lana Grossa Model of the Month that is no longer on line. I guess they retire some of their patterns. Shame. They're so beautiful.

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Originally Posted by Carie
Oh, btw, it was a Lana Grossa Model of the Month that is no longer on line. I guess they retire some of their patterns. Shame. They're so beautiful.

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Is it one of these??? :thinking:
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Old 05-10-2005, 10:05 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Carie
Sorry everyone, I wrote it wrong. It says "...shape armhole at both sides: in every 4th row, 1 st (2x).

I read this to be to bind off the first stitch on rows 4,5, 8 & 9, but looks like I'm wrong.

Any other thoughts?

thx

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Hmm ... so then it would still be ...
1st row .... knit
2nd row .... knit
3rd row .... knit
4th row .... decrease (1st at each end)
5th row .... knit
6th row ..... knit
7th row ..... knit
8th row ..... decrease (1st at each end)

Now whether you bind off or simply k2tog is unclear. Unfortunately, I haven't made enough sweaters to offer pros/cons on either method :(

Anyone else care to chime in?
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No, Ekgheiy, it's not one of LG's MOM that is still posted. It must be from 2003 or some back year that they now archived. Lana Grossa used to have a lot more patterns available, and they pulled them. When I enter the URL of the pattern, I get "page not found" (in German )

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btw, I am continually ripping out and redoing those d#@!! sleeves. I made them way too long and ran out of yarn! So I had to rip them back and start the sleeve cap all over again (again again) for both . Well, at least I won't run out of yarn (I hope). I really want to finish that sweater! The body of it is on my blog http://knit-crochet-for-impatient-people.blogspot.com/.
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OK, here's one more try to explain. Here's the wording from the pattern and my interpretation:

Here are the whole sleeve instructions, since it's not on the Web anymore:

...cast on 36 sts and work in basic patten, starting with K1 *k2p2 then repeat the pattern, (p2=centre of the sleeve). To shape the sleeves, inc at both edges 1 st in every alternate 6th and 8th row (12x). When work measures 41 cm, shape armhole at both sides (emphasis mine): in every 2nd row cast off 3 st (1x), 2 sts (1x), and 1 st (2x), in every 4th row 1 st (2x) and again in every 2nd row 1 st (6x), 2 st (1x) and 3 sts (2x). When wk measures 56 cm, cast off loosely"

it's the 1 st ea end every 4th row that trips me up. I count that the dec's for the armhole = 46 sts over 35 rows (bec you have to dec on row 8 and 9).

(3x2=6st dec over 2 rows) + (2x2=4st dec over 2 rows) + (1x2=2 st dec + 1x2=2 st dec over 4 rows) + (1x2 + 1x2 over 9 rows) + (1x2 + 1x2 + 1x2 + 1x2 + 1x2 + 1x2 over 12 rows) + (2x2 over 2 rows) + (3x2+ 3x2 over 4 rows)

but I've been wrong before....lotsa times.

What do you think?

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Originally Posted by Carie

...cast on 36 sts and work in basic patten, starting with K1 *k2p2 then repeat the pattern, (p2=centre of the sleeve). To shape the sleeves, inc at both edges 1 st in every alternate 6th and 8th row (12x). When work measures 41 cm, shape armhole at both sides (emphasis mine): in every 2nd row cast off 3 st (1x), 2 sts (1x), and 1 st (2x), in every 4th row 1 st (2x) and again in every 2nd row 1 st (6x), 2 st (1x) and 3 sts (2x). When wk measures 56 cm, cast off loosely"
...

What do you think?

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My thoughts in red ...

To shape the sleeves, inc at both edges 1 st in every alternate 6th and 8th row (12x).

1st row, work even
2nd row, work even
3rd row, work even
4th row, work even
5th row, work even
6th row, inc 1 st @ both ends
7th row, work even
8th row, work even
9th row, work even
10th row, work even
11th row, work even
12th row, work even
13th row, work even
14th row, inc 1st @ both ends

**Do all of the above 12 times.



When work measures 41 cm, shape armhole at both sides (emphasis mine): in every 2nd row cast off 3 st (1x), 2 sts (1x), and 1 st (2x), in every 4th row 1 st (2x) and again in every 2nd row 1 st (6x), 2 st (1x) and 3 sts (2x). When wk measures 56 cm, cast off loosely


1st row, work even
2nd row, cast off 3sts
3rd row, work even
4th row, cast off 2sts
5th row, work even
6th row, cast off 1 st
7th row, work even
8th row, cast off 1 st
9th row, work even
10th row, work even
11th row, work even
12th row, cast off 1 st
13th row, work even
14th row, work even
15th row, work even
16th row, cast off 1 st
17th row, work even
18th row, cast off 1 st
19th row, work even
20th row, cast off 1 st
21st row, work even
22nd row, cast off 1 st
23rd row, work even
24th row, cast off 1 st
25th row, work even
26th row, cast off 1 st
27th row, work even
28th row, cast off 1 st
29th row, work even
30th row, cast off 2 sts
31st row, work even
32nd row, cast off 3 sts
33rd row, work even
34th row, cast off 3 sts

Then cast off when work measures 56cm...

Hmm That's the way I read the pattern ...



**whoever wrote this pattern should be smacked with size 19 circs!! There's got to be an easier way to write this
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