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Old 01-16-2006, 10:31 PM   #1
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Ruffles scarf from scarf style...help needed please.
I am at row 4 of this pattern.
Sl 1 kwise wyib, k4 [kwtog, k1] 3 times purl to end.

Kwtog is defined as: 'insert tip of right needle under the wrap as if to knit, then into the wrapped stitch, and knit both loops together (the wrap and the stitch).'

Sorry, but can't see how this is possible to do: I can knit the stitch and then slip the wrapped stitch over, but they can't be knitted together (as the wrapped stitch is on the right needle on its own). In fact I've given it to a knitting expert (knits Patricia Roberts if she is feeling like a bit of mindless knitting) and she doesn't understand it either. Will placing the wrap onto the right needle and then insert right needle into the wrapped stitch, then knit this stitch and slip the wrapped one over work the same way as whatever the actual instruction calls for???

Also, the instructions don't actually say how to insert the right needle into the wrapped stitch: plain way or purl way?

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Old 01-16-2006, 10:38 PM   #2
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I think you're confusing the slipped st with the wrapped st.

In the previous row, did you do a short row where you had to wrap and turn?
THAT's the wrap you need to pick up and knit with the other stitch or you'll get a hole.
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Old 01-16-2006, 11:56 PM   #3
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re Ruffles help needed
Yes I have followed the pattern to the fourth row, knitting the short rows...no problem there as far as I can tell.

No, I don't think I am confusing two things. I don't have a slipped stitch. I am only assuming that in order to get rid of the wrap once it is picked up with the right-hand needle that the only way is to slip it over the next stitch: ie the wrapped stitch itself which is now being knittied.

The pattern tells you to pick up the wrap onto the right hand needle. Once it is there is it not connected to the next stitch: the wrapped stitch, so when one knits the wrapped stitch it is not together with the wrap which has been picked up as directed onto the right-hand needle.

I could understand picking it up with the lefthand needle as then it could simply be knitted with the next stitch: ie wrap and stitch together. But picking it up with the right hand needle is completel different.

Sorry, still don't understand!
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Old 01-17-2006, 01:14 AM   #4
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Is this it: does the pattern want me to pick up the wrap and knit it with the next stitch and the instructions to do so are obscure: ie is it in effect wanting me to pick up the wrap (with the right hand needle, okay, but could be with the left) slip it onto the left needle and then knit together with the wrapped stitch?

Am I getting warm?!
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The best way that I know of to do this is that when u reach the wrapped st., take the st (the one that is wrapped) & put it on your right needle; then very carefully put your left (pointy if u have it) knitting needle tip under the actual wrap that's around the st & pick it up & you will then have the wrap on your left needle, slide the original st which is waiting on your right needle to the left needle & knit the 2 together.This is knitting the wrapped st and the wrap; just in what I find to be an easier way. Now...did this make any sense..I've not been around for a while...so I hope I'm making knitty sense
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Old 01-17-2006, 01:29 AM   #6
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Rebecca, I do understand your description as I read it...I will go and see if I can reproduce it!
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Happy to have been of service, my friend. I would to take credit, too...but, I'm way too honest and have to tell ya, even though I would rather take credit ...that I learned that very technique from one of the gifts from my Sweetums ... A Knitting Glossary DVD by Elizabeth Zimmermann & Meg Swansen, actually, Meg demonstrated it on the dvd
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